Transgender trend on radio 4 NOW

[NellieEllie]

Listening now

Thank you, listening now

Nick Robinson. He’s normally good on this

Doing brilliantly - succinct to the point. Sex not gender

Was good - who was the guy? From National Assoc. of Head Teachers? Stephanie given lots of time to speak, sex not gender re privacy, 3/4 of transing kids are girls, over third are autistic prob more, lesbian, gay, not fitting in. Schools needing to look at these reasons for children wanting to trans.

Great to hear Stephanie D-A on the Today programme

I guess the guy who vetos horrific terfs wasn’t working today?

She is so respectful and reasonable, and so well informed

Joe Wincock from NAHT said that way forward would be to speak to child and parents...I missed the first bit, and didn’t get much of what he said.
Stephanie also made point that schools are not required to reach re gender identity, some have terrible guidance tho. Seeing lots of young people regretting medical,procedures, loss of fertility, need to protect children from what they read, see online given that wish to transition can lead to a medical pathway.

I missed this, but about 7.45 this morning, there was a kid and his Dad talking about how the kid is non-binary and er society needs to move away from stereotypes. It was a mess of using the word gender all over the place and how snails aren't one gender or another.

So I guess this was a follow-up piece?

Caught the end of the interview. Stephanie has a very calming voice. I agree that autism in girls is still massively undiagnosed. And trying to understand why someone wants to trans is so so important. Will go back and re-listen.

Ah just seen there's another thread on this!

Yes, Helmet I think it was - they started off referencing the boy. “This is non binary though so not like transing”. Stephanie Davies-Arai pointed out girls are seeking double mastectomies to become non binary.
There’s another thread about the interview with the non binary child. I agree, we’re not snails or worms so that’s a load of silliness.

It was interesting that they chose to have a fairly neutral person (from NAHT I think) and Transgender Trend, rather than Mermaids or Stonewall, or some such. Wonder how that’ll go down.....

Really pleased Stephanie Davis-Arai pointed out the pressure on girls to get surgery even to be 'non-binary'.

It is bad enough that children of both sexes are being led down medical and surgical pathways to be 'trans' but the non-binary nonsense seems to have a far more detrimental impact on the one sex. Funnily enough not the male one.

Wow. Stephanie was fantastic. The presenter brought up very pertinent points for the discussion.

Amazed (not in a good way) that it was the man from the Headteacher's organisation who wasn't bothered about the idea of what are essentially trans campaign groups being invited into schools! He sounded captured.

Snails? SNAILS????

Biology, Lesson One: You are not a snail.

Lesson Two: Kangeroos have three willies, BUT YOU DON'T!!!

Lesson Two: Kangeroos have three willies, BUT YOU DON'T!!!

Although there's probably a dodgy surgeon out there who would oblige...

I missed it, will listen later, but DH heard it and said Stephanie was great.
DH’s close friend’s daughter has just had her breasts removed. She is 17. It is just heartbreaking.

Kangaroos have 3 willies?? That's news to me!

Lady kangaroos also have three vaginas.

17 vix. 17

Can’t buy fags or drink legally but someone will cut off her breasts at 17
How is this happening

Googled 'kangaroo genitals' - what does my search history look like? - but can't find 3 penises on a roo. But females have 3 vaginas, 2 entrances at the sides and a central exit, and 2 uterii.

It's happening because grown adults have disengaged brains and are afraid to call obvious nonsense obvious nonsense.

No human beings can not change sex.

No transwomen are not women.

No there is no such thing as 'non-binary'.

No you don't have an 'innate gender identity'.

It is all complete and utter claptrap and everyone needs to stop 'being kind' because you are actually being cruel when you pander to delusions.

Stop it.

Stephanie Davies-Arai pointed out girls are seeking double mastectomies to become non binary

If "non-binary" means neither one gendersex** nor the other, WHY oh WHY oh WHY is a girl having her breasts chopped off non-binary? Surely it's a really really binary thing - mimicking the MALE body - and sets up maleness as the default position.

Something feminists have been arguing against for about, oooh, at least 227 years dated from 1792 and the publication of Mary Wollstonecraft's A Vindication of the Rights of Women

** made up term to denote the utter bollocking confusion of these 2 terms which got us into this mess in the 1st place

Lady kangaroos also have three vaginas.

Kangaroos are amazing. Female kangaroos can also have three offspring in their body at the same time IIRC. One fertilised embryo in suspended state, one embryo developing, and one joey inside the pouch attached to a nipple. Once the tiny embryo has attached to the nipple, it (nipple) swells to hold the baby kangaroo in place, and it stays like that for months I think, until it's big enough to move around and stick its head out and look around.

Marsupials generally have got the whole childbirth thing correct in my view.

Get 'em out young and stick 'em in your pocket.

With male marsupials it isn't that they can have more than one penis but that the penis can be split into more than one 'prong' as I understand it. In kangaroos in particular I think it is a two, rather than three prong affair but I understand echidnas have four.

You can just see the echidnas strutting around in the showers, showing off.

(And I apologise unreservedly to kangeroos for misgenitaling them.)

So delighted with this. Thank you so much Stephanie. Nick seemed very well briefed too!