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More nonsense from The Guardian

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pachyderm · 08/10/2019 07:40

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/oct/07/innout-trans-woman-harassment-california

No comments allowed of course. No empathy for the women frightened and threatened by a large male person in their space. A misleading cartoon picturing a woman who in no way resembles said large male person.

They also have a piece this week about how empowering Japanese rope bondage is. I shouldn't even click on the paper any moreAngry

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/10/2019 07:48

Wait a mo!

Woman say there is a man in the restroom

Manager goes in to check

Manager cannot SEE the person in the restroom

Person in restroom assumes that the manager was not nice cos manager is transphobic!

Not having seen said person, having been told there was a man in the room...

Bless theie Obviously Didn't Pass That Day little heart!

VeniVidiVoxi · 08/10/2019 07:54

Highlights the problem perfectly, although the article in no way addresses it. How do you challenge a man in the women's toilets these days? The man might be a woman, but you might not know that by looking. If you ask then you're being hurtful, if you assume man you're being hurtful. What do you do? Those who 'pass' can carry on regardless, those who don't are probably the most vulnerable/in need of validation, which they won't get. Sensible trans people must realise this could be an issue?

MsTSwift · 08/10/2019 08:03

Me me me me me me me. Not a whisper of thinking how your conduct affects others or how they may feel.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 08/10/2019 08:05

Sensible trans people must realise this could be an issue?

Ruth Hunt’s take on the matter, as (non-trans) ex-leader of TRA organisation Stonewall, was that “men are always going to rape women”, the implication being that it’s not worth trying to do anything about it.

Yes. I know. Here’s the citation. blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/can-you-imagine-a-lobbyist-against-womens-rights-being-made-a-peer/

happydappy2 · 08/10/2019 08:05

Quote from the article, ‘no one is asking for special accommodation ‘
Err but you are because you are asking for males to be given access to the womens bathrooms, and women are rightly saying NO.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/10/2019 08:08

In a recent mediation, In-N-Out’s lawyers made it clear that they do not feel the company did anything wrong. It felt as if they told me I was worth nothing.

This sounds like something one ought to discuss with one's therapist, what with it being a bit of a leap and all. Why are a burger chain responsible for this person's emotional problems?

allmywhat · 08/10/2019 08:13

I don't know if it's allowed to say this, but the author's picture on their website makes it clear how they could be confused with a man.

They also don't look like someone who would be in any way unsafe, or probably even noticed, in the male toilets.

(I'm not sure if TRAs still pretend they want in women's toilets for safety reasons or have they stopped using that argument? The advocacy of gender neutral toilets doesn't make sense from that perspective.)

HumptyDumptyHadAGreatFall · 08/10/2019 08:17

Why do women always have to fight for their rights?
Just as we're getting to a good place, the battle begins all over again. Men take us back and give us more we once again have so much to fight against them for! Can we just not be in a place where women can be safe and treated equally?

Dress however you want and change your name from Bill to Nancy. Have your penis inverted, it's still not a vagina. A man cannot become a woman, a woman cannot become a man. You are biologically the sex you are born and that cannot change. I seriously question the mental health or those who genuinely believe that, it's a concerning state of incongruence and that creates more of a threat to women.

zanahoria · 08/10/2019 08:19

The Guardian only cares about it's American market these days If any other British institution behaved in that way they would be writing finger wagging articles about how they had been captured by American corporate interests.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 08/10/2019 08:23

"After this terrible 30 second, non violent, experience, the poor oppressed person could not work in any shape or form, and needs you to pay them all your money"

KatvonHostileExtremist · 08/10/2019 08:28

Oh look! Lafemmes next ep is due out on the 25th October!

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/10/2019 08:29

Do you get a free lecture about what a bigot you are with every copy?

kaldefotter · 08/10/2019 08:31

I’d take these incidents and subsequent articles with a large pinch of salt. While the Guardian’s happy enough to publish them Hmm they always seem to be written by some performance artist looking for publicity because they’ve got something to promote.

There was Travis Alabanza before. Now this person’s promoting a single. They go looking to create an incident they can then complain about and get some attention.

I feel nostalgic for the days when artists got attention because they had talent.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 08/10/2019 08:32

Did none of you read the part where she says the manager looked into the stall (American toilets have a wide gap at the stall door)? I would feel violated if someone peered in at me while I was using the toilet.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/10/2019 08:32

Hey, they totally identify as being talented.

HandsOffMyRights · 08/10/2019 08:35

Why do vanity and validation outweigh women and children's rights to safety and privacy?

In it's attempts to appear enlightened, the Guardian is an extremely backwards thinking puppet.

HandsOffMyRights · 08/10/2019 08:36

Its

LangCleg · 08/10/2019 08:42

The Guardian only cares about it's American market these days

Yep.

The trust fund is running out and its British readership is not responding well to the ever present begging bowl, nor taking kindly to the Woke lecturing - to the extent they're unable to open comments on half their articles.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/10/2019 08:47

That is a bit of a bad sign, isn't it, having to turn off comments on a significant number of your articles because you know that if you turn them on your readers will let you know how poorly served they feel by your "news coverage"?

I'm not sure how they think that's a sustainable business model in the long term.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 08/10/2019 08:52

Why are a burger chain responsible for this person's emotional problems?

I think if you successfully sue in the US you get extra money for emotional damage? so you should very much play up the hurty feelz with an ongoing court case.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/10/2019 08:53

There's a video on the site of the person who wrote the article in which they're performing with a guitar player, and that reminded me to plug Sinfest! Which has been getting more and more pointed in its depictions of all kinds of woke misogyny over time. Start here, go backwards.

www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2019-09-30

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 08/10/2019 08:55

And while I have no wish to belittle anyone's suffering, it seems to me that this 'harassment' is less threatening than the usual shit from men that women are used to putting up with

LangCleg · 08/10/2019 08:58

That is a bit of a bad sign, isn't it, having to turn off comments on a significant number of your articles because you know that if you turn them on your readers will let you know how poorly served they feel by your "news coverage"?

Yes! It's not as though they're plagued by "enemy" commenters either. It's their own readership.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/10/2019 08:59

Relevant!

www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2019-09-17

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