Self id to be kicked into the long grass

[Campervan69]

I just seen this on Twitter which is apparently going to be in the Mail on Sunday tomorrow

It's a good start. Happened here in NZ earlier this year. But too little, too late IMHO.

This. Self ID as law died the day a woman wore a mankini to the hamsted heath men's pool. It could never have got through once it got any serious attention.

But self ID is (as PPs have said) policy and practice for a lot of public bodies and private companies. That law will be back once women's rights lie dead from a thousand tiny cuts.

We are not winning yet, but it's turning. Pull.

Think this is really positive news. But as pp have said, many companies and organisations have been acting as if it was already law so we have to be vigilant. God my head hurts at how many things have changed in the last few years and how we're having to fight on so many fronts...

Really good news. A Minister seemingly willing to put her head above the parapet and be identified as GC.

We have quite a few people to thank, including Andrew Gilligan, who is now an adviser to the PM, newspapers who gave space to journalists sceptical of genderism, and a number of brave and articulate women. And Mumsnet, who provided an important platform when so many would not.

There is a lot to row back. But this a sign that the tide is turning. There are some important court cases to be won. More voices, including detransitioners (which the MOS is also covering) and widows to be heard. Transgenderism impacts on women. People may have dysphoria but hopefully the blind #nodebate adoption of TWAW will be seen for what it is. Misogyny and an unwillingness to listen to women or to consider their needs.

I'm confused.
"the Secretary of State's belief that adults should be given full freedom to decide how they want to live their lives and should not face barriers to doing so"

• Does this not still sound like self-id for adults is on the table? Full freedom to decide, No barriers = getting rid of what is currently required for a GRC?? The majority of the article was about concerns for children and their medicalisation. Which the reforms

The full article is here:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7542003/Equalities-minister-Liz-Truss-abandons-drive-relax-laws-changing-gender.html

We are winning women (although not fully yet there)! Puuuuulllllll!!!

Does this not still sound like self-id for adults is on the table? Full freedom to decide, No barriers = getting rid of what is currently required for a GRC?? The majority of the article was about concerns for children and their medicalisation. Which the reforms

It's been delayed slightly. It will still come in at some point.

But last night a senior Government source said the plans would be 'kicked into the long grass' until after the next Election – 'and probably much later than that'.

Not massively reassuring given that the Tories are angling for a general election this side of Christmas...

We are still no better off though really are we.

Girlguiding , nspcc, clothing stores, nhs wards etc have all bright in policies as if it had become law already.

If the responses to emails and tweets are anything to go by they are not backing down any time soon.

So it's over to you, Libs, Labs, Greenies and Nats: Do you really think TWAW?

It's a step forward. Liz Truss's views contrast sharply with those of previous Equalities Ministers (Maria Miller, hang your head in shame) and the article makes clear that she was specifically given this post because of her scepticism. Thank you, Dominic Cummings.

We can't predict the future as far as a GE is concerned but at least this is a clear policy difference between the Conservatives and the other parties.

Now if only Liz could have a sharp word or two in Matt Hancock's ear.

And what happens if the next Government is, say, a LibDem/Labour coalition?

How long is this grass?

The Tories would never have implemented this anyway. Their voters would hate it.

The stealth introduction has happened under the Tories. Rapists being sent to women's prisons has happened under the Tories. It was a Tory Health Secretary that changed single sex to single gender wards in NHS guidance on the sly.

Kicking into the long grass until after an election is not making single sex spaces a compulsory legal requirement as part of your manifesto. It is not making an outright ban on the transing of children part of your manifesto.

It is better than nothing but I still don't see Truss actively speaking out in the manner of Joanna Cherry or Joan McAlpine, though kudos to David Davis who does.

This is a vague, maybe we'll perhaps recognise that the public are not on board, nothing more.

It’s good to celebrate, and having a Government minister apparently (and rightly!) concerned about the outcomes for children is great.

However, nothing ‘sources close to Liz Truss’ is saying here helps those kids (GRA reform is nothing to do with those kids- you can’t get a GRA under 18, although the genderist lobby is pushing for that age limit to be reduced ).

Nothing ‘sources close to Liz Truss’ is saying helps women who are concerned about men in their single-sex spaces, sporting competitions, prisons, changing rooms, hospital wards, public toilets, educational and career opportunities and so on.

Liz Truss needs to act, to ensure the government makes a formal response to their own GRA consultation. This response needs to explicitly rules out GRA reform to permit self ID, not put it on ice or into the long grass. Ideally Liz Truss would announce a new government review into why we need to retain the outdated, anachronistic GRA at all, given that we all have since been given equal protection from discrimination via the Equality Act.

Is the law the appropriate vehicle to provide people with emotional validation? what are the benefits to people that only the current Gender Recognition certification system can provide? When there is a clash of rights like there is here, what should be the correct balance of interests, especially when the law is already shown to be causing issues for women like the GRA currently is?

If Liz Truss cares about UK kids being transed permanently medically and surgically, then she should be announcing an immediate big investment in talking therapies for these children and young people to support them.

She should be calling for Parliament to put in new statutory regulation to stop children being pushed through a medical system that makes permanent changes to their bodies at an age they can’t possibly understand the consequences. Anything else is just electioneering.

This is a vague, maybe we'll perhaps recognise that the public are not on board, nothing more

This, it's a careful "we know what the public want so we will push it be until after we are re elected" statement.

The thing is every one else, every other party (with the exception of the communists) also know that the public doesn't want this, but all of them are adamant it's going to come in.

It's definitely giving your rights away vs probably giving your rights away.

TRAs will be fuming, there will be more behind the scenes lobbying frantically happening....they have got a foot in the door and they won’t back away without a fight. An enquiry into Mermaids must surely be on the cards, they are meant to be a support group for parents of ‘trans kids’ but are actively grooming young children-targeted advertising on you tube aimed at kids FFS. It is clear though the public don’t like single sex facilities being turned into mixed sex. The huge rise in the number of children thinking they are trans is a tragedy.

Good good. Boris has been highly critical of police knocking on the doors of Twitter "transphobes" in the past too (in his Telegraph column) I don't think they'll implement it if he wins the election. Most of his cabinet are gender critical, especially now Rudd is out. My feeling is they worded it like that as they know how aggressive the trans lobby are.

The Tories introduced self ID. Its been supported by every party except UKIP. I think this was a deliberate policy that has backfired and caused a great deal of harm, both to individuals and socially.

The Tories would never have implemented this anyway. Their voters would hate it
Agree, but it is only recently that some of their voters would even be aware of it. I think they thought they could get it through under the radar as most people don't even believe it is happening as it is so ludicrous.
I will feel much much happier if the GRA were to be repealed alongside.

For the Tories the fact that the GRA was introduced under Labour and an international court decision is a possible political route to getting it repealed.

I dislike very much the current nature of politics but that's a realpolitik approach.

The same is possibly true of Labour given that it was a Blairite compromise in order to comply with that legal decision [disclaimer: if I'm anything I'm a blairite]. But they would be likely to replace it with something else. That would require vigilance. I hope the days of laws like this being passed without adequate scrutiny are over but I am not confident.

Campervan69 wrote - "The thing is that companies were bringing in self-id on the expectation that it was going to be made into law."

I think that is true for some organizations, but some other organizations have already accepted self-ID because they want to virtue signal, to make the organization look good to woke people. They think they are morally right and they place their morality above the law. With or without a law that would explicitly recognise gender identity self-ID of womanhood, the second group of organizations will continue to use transwomen to trample over women's rights.

"The thing is that companies were bringing in self-id on the expectation that it was going to be made into law."

Getting ahead of the law = breaking the law. People are supposed to abide by the law that is, not the one they think will be made soon.

I think that is true for some organizations, but some other organizations have already accepted self-ID because they want to virtue signal, to make the organization look good to woke people. They think they are morally right and they place their morality above the law.

Many of them have also been wrongly informed about the law by trans lobby groups.

Dont' forget this inquiry....

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/women-and-equalities-committee/inquiries/parliament-2017/enforcing-the-equality-act-17-19/publications/

This is the inquiry where they consulted with someone who complained on twitter aboot not being able to publicly access sex sites on trains on the way to this inquiry. An inquiry about rape and DV shelters. They wanted to browse sex sites in public on the way there...

Aboot? I've become Scottish.

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but the Belfast Telegraph put this on their site at 1.23pm today -

It had been reported that the plans, supported by former prime minister Theresa May, had been abandoned after Liz Truss took on the portfolio following Amber Rudd’s resignation in September.
But a source said Ms Truss, who is also International Trade Secretary, confirmed she is committed to releasing the results of the consultation.
“The Secretary of State is committed to following through with the consultation in due course,” they told the PA news agency.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/minister-committed-to-completing-gender-recognition-law-reform-review-38567341.html