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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Baby dies in prison after pregnant mother gives birth alone

106 replies

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2019 21:56

amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/oct/04/baby-dies-in-uk-prison-after-inmate-gives-birth-alone-in-cell?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Baby dies in UK prison after inmate ‘gives birth alone in cell’
Police investigate unexplained death at Bronzefield women’s prison in Surrey

The case raises serious questions about how the woman came to be unsupervised and without medical support during her labour and birth, and about the conditions at the privately run prison.

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Bronzefield is Europe’s largest female prison, holding up to 557 inmates, and is operated by Sodexo Justice Services. Concerns have been raised previously about the care of prisoners.

In the case of Natasha Chin, who died at HMP Bronzefield in 2016, an inquest jury found that neglect and systemic failings at the prison had contributed to her death. Four women have died at Bronzefield since July 2016.

There is a mother and baby unit at the prison and women whose babies are born in prison, or who already have a baby when they enter prison, can keep the infants with them until they are 18 months old.

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Jane Ryan, a solicitor at Bhatt Murphy Solicitors who specialises in cases of women in prison, said: “There are serious concerns raised about risk issues arising from lack of access to midwives when labour commences, access to pregnancy records and full maternity care. It is an indictment of our prison system that a woman was giving birth in a prison cell. There must be a full independent investigation, and possibly an inquest, into these horrific circumstances.”

Dr Kate Paradine, the chief executive of the charity Women in Prison, said: “All mothers should have the right to give birth in dignity. But time and time again, we hear of situations where this isn’t happening, with mothers regularly being denied access to the vital health and maternity care necessary to give birth safely. This has devastating consequences not only for the baby and mother, but also for the rest of the family they are separated from.”

Worst bit?

A spokesman for the Prisons & Probation Ombudsman, an independent body which investigates deaths in prisons and detention centres, confirmed that they are not investigating the baby’s death and said it was not part of their remit.

Like WTF?!

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ChattyLion · 04/10/2019 22:08

Oh no, poor woman and poor baby.Flowers

Grimbles · 04/10/2019 22:10

Horrific. Poor baby. Poor mother Flowers

Ereshkigal · 04/10/2019 22:12

It's truly appalling Thanks

TheQueef · 04/10/2019 22:16

Fucks sake.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 04/10/2019 22:18

Awful. The safety, needs and rights of women in prison really don't feature very highly do they?

Littlechocola · 04/10/2019 22:19

Not part of their remit Shock

Melroses · 04/10/2019 22:22

That last bit is bizarre.

BarbaraStrozzi · 04/10/2019 22:24

I read this earlier - horrific.

What can we usefully do to kick up a stink about this?

In a prison with a mother and baby unit, where the prisoner was known to be pregnant, how can this have happened?

Especially given that this is not the first time a woman has given birth alone in her cell in Bronzefield how come they do not have a procedure whereby prisoners can call for help if they go into labour?

This is not something that should be dealt with by some sort of cover-up internal whitewash job enquiry. It needs a public enquiry.

So? Letters to MPs? Letters to the Justice Secretary? Letters to the Home Secretary? How do we get a wider spread of newspapers to cover this, not just the Guardian? How do we get it on the BBC website?

This should not have happened. But more than that, the whole bloody country should be outraged that it happened.

Campervan69 · 04/10/2019 22:44

Utterly unacceptable in a supposedly civilised society. That poor mother and baby.

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 04/10/2019 22:46

Rest in peace little one.

anomoony · 04/10/2019 22:49

Sodexo justice services! WTF, aren't they the company for office cleaning and cheap cantina lunches?

This is horrible. That poor mother, that poor little baby.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 04/10/2019 22:52

Not part of their remit?

Thats got to be endangerment or something...i don't know if we have endangerment but if it happened in a hospital there would be (one would hope) an investigation, repercussions and a promise to make sure it didnt happen again

(I appreciate I’m being incredibly naive)

GiantKitten · 04/10/2019 22:57

Keir Starmer has picked it up on twitter - not that it's his remit but I would hope he will be able to escalate it.

HelenaDove · 04/10/2019 23:12

Absolutely horrific. Not their fucking remit So what exactly is their fucking remit then.

Poor woman and poor baby. RIP little one Thanks

Inebriati · 04/10/2019 23:25

We can't let this pass unnoticed, there must be something we can do about this.

pumkinspicetime · 04/10/2019 23:26

I saw this. It really should not have happened or got anywhere near happening.

Rachelover60 · 04/10/2019 23:32

That's very sad. I wonder if she hid her pregnancy and the staff didn't realise - that is possible, women (& men of course) tend to put on weight and become a bit shapeless in prison because of the rotten diet and lack of exercise, plus if they wear prison issue clothes, they will cover up bulges. From the article, I cannot tell whether her pregnancy was common knowledge or not.

I imagine there is a way to call for staff to come to a cell at any time, a buzzer or alarm bell, especially during the night. Maybe she didn't call them, who knows? If she did and no one came, that is scandalous but we'll have to wait and see what the findings are (if we are ever told).

The death of Natasha Chin is simply awful.

CarWreck · 04/10/2019 23:51

Holy shit. This is one of the most appalling things I've read - I assumed from the headline this wouldn't be in the UK.

Joisanofthedales · 04/10/2019 23:55

This is horrifying. Surely someone can be held to account for the death of this baby and the appalling treatment of the mother.

OldCrone · 05/10/2019 01:21

I imagine there is a way to call for staff to come to a cell at any time, a buzzer or alarm bell, especially during the night. Maybe she didn't call them, who knows? If she did and no one came, that is scandalous but we'll have to wait and see what the findings are (if we are ever told).

In the BBC report on this, they mentioned a woman who had died in the same prison. She rang the bell in her cell to call for help, but it took them 3 hours to respond.
www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/22/natasha-chin-dies-bronzefield-prison-sodexo

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 05/10/2019 01:31

I don't want to live in a society where our most vulnerable women and their infants are neglected like this.

And, I have absolutely no intention of emigrating to Utopia, so, I guess I'll just have to write to my MP and ask questions about what he intends to do about this.

How desperately sad. Just so very, very, unnecessary.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 05/10/2019 03:55

Was there not another woman who gave birth recently in UK prison alone, in her cell, and it was a footling breach birth? I think it was about a year or two ago. The baby and woman survived, by luck.

I don't think it's uncommon for pregnant women prisoners to be treated with such a lack of care in UK prisons. It really upsets me how little these vulnerable women, and their entirely innocent babies, are valued and cared for.

Heavily pregnant women shouldn't even be in prison, unless it's a serious violent crime.

Poor woman. Poor little baby.

Lowbrow · 05/10/2019 04:30

That’s it really^. Heavily pregnant women shouldn’t even be in prison... This is utterly appalling and utterly lacking in common sense. What is wrong with these idiots that allow this to happen.

Mummyoflittledragon · 05/10/2019 04:47

Whose bloody remit is it? Sad Angry. How awful!

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 05/10/2019 04:56

I know. If your remit is to investigate deaths in prison, then how can they decide some people's deaths aren't for them to bother themselves with?

Such a lack of respect for a little newborn baby.

That poor woman must be going through hell. What a life sentence this is.

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