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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

mutaa marriages

50 replies

Gin96 · 04/10/2019 20:48

There is no chance for these young girls/women 😞
www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/iuKTEGjKgS/teenage_iraq_brides
Why is no one standing up for these women, if it was a religion or race people would be up in arms but when it’s gender inequality nobody seems to care.

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Soubriquet · 04/10/2019 20:52

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That is awful

I have never heard of this before

BobTheDuvet · 04/10/2019 21:02

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Wonkydonkey44 · 04/10/2019 21:05

I read this today totally tragic

Rachelover60 · 04/10/2019 21:44

How grim. That poor girl (& no doubt many others).

GladAllOver · 04/10/2019 21:47

Just prostitution, organised to keep men happy and women in their place as disposable objects.

ChattyLion · 04/10/2019 22:09

How can religions sanction abuse like this?

quixote9 · 05/10/2019 07:36

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GothMummy · 05/10/2019 07:43

Girls as young as 9? That's the age of my daughter. Oh I feel so sick. How can this possibly happen?

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 05/10/2019 07:56

I read that article yesterday, and the one about the baby factory in Nigeria. I am teaching The Handmaid's Tale to my A Level set, and we discuss how non-fictional it is in so many way Sad

BadgertheBodger · 05/10/2019 07:57

Oh those poor girls. Just trapped every which way they turn. Bastard men that take advantage of young teenagers like this Sad

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 05/10/2019 07:59

Nigeria story here

MotherForkinShirtBalls · 05/10/2019 20:09

I read that story yesterday too and was going to post it but I couldn't find the words to express my horror. It's so utterly heartbreaking for these children and young women.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 05/10/2019 20:13

I have heard if this - but more as in ‘in ye olden days‘ and more of when a couple wanted to have sex and they weren’t married, or if a man wanted to use a Prostitute ‘guild free’.

So the clerics prudish enough to not allow sex out of wedlock - but little girls (and let’s not forget the little boys too - not marrying them of course but paedophiles...)? They should be whipped naked through the streets.

Antibles · 05/10/2019 20:28

Horrible. Pimping and prostitution by any other name. Those poor girls. Credit to the BBC for the undercover reporting on this one.

MrGsFancyNewVagina · 05/10/2019 20:42

You read horrific stories like this and it brings home to you how ridiculously privileged those parents are, that insist their primary aged boys are identifying as girls. It just shows the real horror of what is inflicted on little girls because they were born female.

LoafEater · 05/10/2019 21:02

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 05/10/2019 21:06

As always men's wants placed before women and girls safety and dignity.

Gin96 · 06/10/2019 08:38

It’s funny, we know what the Catholic Church have done and it is awful but nobody said oh well the Catholic Church has done all those things but so has Islam or another religion, just because one religion does it, doesn’t make it ok for another religion.

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Lolasaurous · 06/10/2019 08:43

What is it? Can't click the link

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Velveteenfruitbowl · 06/10/2019 09:25

@TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross Atwood deliberately didn’t wrote anything into the novel that had t happened somewhere in real life.

Gin96 · 06/10/2019 09:29

I went to a Catholic school and the things they taught young girls was awful, periods are a curse, birth control was against god, abortions was the most evil thing women can do and showed us videos of abortions in progress.
The document from the BBC which I read was just as bad if not worse as it’s accepted by the whole community, where the Catholic Church was more enclosed like a cult.

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meditrina · 06/10/2019 09:30

"Why is no one standing up for these women,"

Because people very rarely look beyond their own borders, and those who post about global issues have probably been castigated often enough (for not prioritising domestic issues) to have much appetite for it.

(yes, I know I'm whinging

meditrina · 06/10/2019 09:40

Mutah is pre-Islamic, and the actual verses seem to me to be about the need to pay in full if you have contracted a woman for her sexual services. So it was more about getting men to behave better in the world as it actually was back then. Not recommending prostitution, but acknowledging it existed and stipulating that you could not bilk a woman. I suppose it was an older equivalent of the arguments in favour of legalising brothels to protect those who provided the services.

It is a shia concept, and though there is a parallel in sunni, it doesn't seem to carry the same weight (IYSWIM, that's not quite the right word, but I can't think of better right now). So I don't see it as a feature of Islam per se.

Issues such as age of consent also are not necessarily linked to religion, and forcing or coercing a woman into marriage (permanent or temporartyh are definitely not. Yes, in RL abuses happen, and clerics do speak on this.

Perhaps the way forwards is to make sure that people do hear what those clerics are saying. Because people are standing up for them, but if you only read the western media then you probably woukdn't see much about these issues

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 06/10/2019 09:46

So would this ‘marriage’ have a diary attached then?