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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Greta Thunberg

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Gingerkittykat · 26/09/2019 13:36

twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1176930548146692096

*Here we go again...
As you may have noticed, the haters are as active as ever - going after me, my looks, my clothes, my behaviour and my differences.8

It looks like she faces the normal misogynistic bullshit most women face when men want to shut them down. Can't argue with her message so just attack her looks to try and discredit her.

Thankfully she seems strong and with her head switched on, I hope this doesn't put her off having her voice heard.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 26/09/2019 13:37

I love that she took Trump's attempt to talk down to her and made it her Twitter tagline.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 26/09/2019 13:57

I am beginning to rather love her for the dispassionate way she describes the attacks on her.

KennDodd · 26/09/2019 14:11

She is such a brilliant role model for young women. Not just because of her activism but also because of the way she looks. Much rather my girls wanted to be like her than someone pouting all over Instagram about some tat they've just bought.

RadicalStitch · 26/09/2019 14:48

I'm not convinced it's a great idea having a young girl in the spotlight this much.

I worry for her mental health.
I worry that she is being used as a political pawn.
I'm not very keen on all our children being taught how to be activists instead of being at school and really learning about the science about the destruction of the planet.

I'm not that keen on kids leaving school to protest but not actually making any inconvenient changes to their own lives which would be environmentally beneficial.

Gingerkittykat · 26/09/2019 16:22

I think teaching children to be activists and involved politically and socially is a great thing.

Having genuine concerns about her wellbeing or disagreeing with her message is a whole different kettle of fish to the misogynist attacks she is facing.

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RadicalStitch · 26/09/2019 16:59

I agree that she shouldn't be getting the grief she is, and it's clearly going to take it's toll on her. She's too young for this.
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CharlieParley · 26/09/2019 17:17

I think galvanizing youngsters into becoming politically active is generally a good thing. But while I admire her energy and bravery in standing up for what she so passionately believes in, I have two problems with what is going on here:

  1. The demands being made are not simply unrealistic, they are also unachievable. Furthermore, they require amounts of political will from all across the entire planet not previously expended on any issue and not likely to be forthcoming on this one either.

The inevitable disappointment is already starting to surface and is taking an extremely ugly turn (fostering very serious inter-generational hatred and contempt). This is seriously disturbing to see.

  1. Greta is a vulnerable child. She is of course an adolescent child who is not that far from adulthood, but she is still a child. One who is neuro-atypical with a condition that leads to very black and white thinking but who is campaigning on an issue where only acknowledging a million shades of gray will ever and has ever yielded any results.

On top of that, for various (including entirely nefarious) reasons, a large number of powerful people have a vested interest in discrediting her, by any means necessary. No child should ever be exposed to that.

RadicalStitch · 26/09/2019 18:30

Agree with CharleyParley

ScrimshawTheSecond · 26/09/2019 19:30

Yes, Charley. She's been made into a figurehead for a hopeless cause, and she's a child. I can't imagine the pressure that must put on her.

DreadPirateLuna · 26/09/2019 19:36

I veer between being deeply impressed by her bravery and intelligence, and being terrified for her mental health. She has suffered from depression and elective mutism in the past; it seems that finding a cause took her out of this, but all this attention and pressure could take a nasty toll.

Branleuse · 26/09/2019 19:41

I love her. I think this is her passion and she is a true leader

stumbledin · 26/09/2019 19:47

I think the real worry is why the normally reactionary mainstream media have built her up in the way they have. As we all know they build people up to later knock them down.

And she herself has said that one of the great things for her on a personal level is from having felt quite isolated now feels she is part of something. If this is dismantled and she finds herself back on her own what will the impact be.

For instance although it is well documented that this is not true the main stream media report that sort of out of nowhere this young girl turned up on her own initiative to do lone vigils on fridays.

Not only is there record of this not being true she has acknowledged its not true. ie there was a campaign to raise issues around climate change linked to work her parents were doing. The pr was to have groups of young people spreading the message but for various reasons this didn't happen. But it was agreed that Greta would do it on her own.

This doesn't under mine the message, but in the hands of the media it isn't ever really about the message it is about her.

Why is this important. Because it allows the media, on behalf of those with a vested interest, to turn the story into her lonely struggle. The ridiculous photo op of sailing across the atlantic which could only happen by flying out a return crew to sail the boat back.

And the worse still is turning the issue into an intergenerational conflict and that she is put forward as a symbol of the sacrificed youth. Whereas young people in white western Europe have not lost their childhood. Young people in developing countries who cant get to schools, have to walk miles to get water, child brides, are the ones who have lost their childhood.

And more than likely young people in white western europe have consumed and produced more damage to the atmosphere than many baby boomers who dont use the internet / computers*, aren't jetting round the world on gap year holidays. The idea that people living in the still devasted communities of pit villages etc., are somehow to blame for the rampant consumer capitalism that cost them their jobs is just insulting.

I dont know who is advising her, but I know many people who have been campaiging and living a life to reduce their carbon foot print, and all she can do is stamp her foot about how horrid old people are.

And I do wonder what safeguarding of her future her parents are doing.

And now we have the phenomenon of competitive parents pushing their little darlings to be oh so daring and go on a demo - no doubt using social media to capture their wonderfulness. I even heard on woman talking about how she and her daughter now bonded over how upset they were about the future and doctors are talking about how they are having to treat young people with anxiety.

Its a bit like the munchausen by proxy of trans parents enabling their children to be the next trans star.

As someone who was educated by Rachel Carson's Silent Spring and the active strand in Women's Liberation that knew back in the 70s about the destruction of the environment of beef farming etc., I am baffled as to why so many people are buying into the its all the baby boomers fault. ie an apoltical analysis that allows global capitalism and personal consumer to not be questioned.

The only fault that baby boomer have is that somehow their children turned into the yuppies and loads of money generation, who over consumed to spite their parents. Now that they are faced with the destruction of their life style they are persuading their children, the grandchildren of babyboomers, to not blame them but to blame the babyboomers.

My real question is why is the western media being so supportive of her? It can only be misdirection. When she falls they can then spin stories about lonely heroines and selfish oldies but never talk about our own consumerism in the west, and let the business and banking interests off the hook.

  • For anyone who is not aware computing is a major cause of carbon emmissions. So called cloud computing that allows sharing online etc., is actually rows and rows of stacks of actual hardware that all needs to be run on electricity and also kept cool. ie Microsoft, or it may have been facebook, looked into building a huge storage facility in the ice of the polar regions to save on the cost of cooling. All those diminishing ice regions may be being melted by vast storage areas of computer hardware. When you think of all the information, twitter and facebook tittle tattle, on line news, swapping selfies etc., we can now access, that is all somewhere in a vast warehouse of servers. www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/apr/30/cloud-computing-carbon-emissions
BeardedMum · 26/09/2019 19:49

I think she is great and would love my children to be activists. Engaged, involved children will do better at school. Who cares if they miss a few days.

JoyceJeffries · 26/09/2019 19:59

I think she’s too young for all of this.

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/09/2019 20:21

I'm beginning to be a little uncomfortable. I believe she is autistic. This could either make her more vulnerable or actually more 'focussed on the job' actually. (Really not carrying who she upsets.)

I'm uncomfortable however that she is receiving mockery and hate and potentially that she's beginning to be used by organisations and people. It's not a normal childhood she has now. I worry about her resilience.

Pota2 · 26/09/2019 20:23

She is clearly an intelligent girl but her life is being rewritten into a modern day fairy tale and I agree with the comments that people are built up to be knocked down.

As to what she is saying, it is a very entrenched position. There is no room for manoeuvre and she is utterly convinced that anyone over the age of idk, 25? 30? is to blame for it. It is causing a huge generation divide that is unhelpful. Time flies and she will be the problematic adult before long and then she won’t be able to have that scapegoat. Also destruction of the planet is really not something that can be laid at the feet of one generation.

It is also true that it’s the internet and use of 4g and 5g that also contributes to species of animals and bees dying out. However, that is never really raised. Yes, she sailed to the US but she is also probably connected to the Internet pretty much constantly as most people are these days, regardless of age. I don’t think her young fans would be prepared to give that up, even if it were to save the planet.

Also, her childhood has not been stolen because of the older generations. The whole eco movement is very white and very ableist.

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/09/2019 20:26

Great post stumbled two less actuallys than I managed too

I think the real worry is why the normally reactionary mainstream media have built her up in the way they have. As we all know they build people up to later knock them down.

Yes and how she will deal with this.

I didn't know about the cloud stuff; significant as with GDPR / safeguarding etc it's all going to clouds in education, and I'm sure everywhere else too.

NeurotrashWarrior · 26/09/2019 20:28

4g and 5g that also contributes to species of animals and bees dying out.

I just learnt about this last week and am gutted that this is a factor. People will plant flowers etc but won't be giving up their fast streaming.

Icefisher · 26/09/2019 20:31

I don't think she is too young or too neuro atypical to do what she does. She is clearly being very successful in motivating many people. It's not her job to seek feasible solutions. She just points out the crisis. She says she wants a future. That has some radical implications but it's pretty normal for a teenager to want a future.

Wacawaca19 · 26/09/2019 20:37

Children have been encouraged enough to be good at school
So they can get good jobs .

Wacawaca19 · 26/09/2019 20:39

So they can afford keep consuming the dwindling resources of a dying o planet. I would be immensely proud of my children if they became activists.

Yeahnahyeah · 26/09/2019 21:46

I agree with stumbled in and others.
Greta is the pawn in a carefully curated movement. From the photo of her lone Friday protests (staged by her parents and other activists) to where she is now. Her parents are hard core climate activists, and have installed such a fear in her that it has amplified her issues - which include autism, selective mutism, an eating disorder, OCD, anxiety, and depression.
I hold them to the same standard as parents who trans young children.
It's shameful, and those posters who are praising this need to look deeper than mainstream media, just like we have to do with trans issues.
I find it deeply disturbing.

RadicalStitch · 26/09/2019 22:07

I would like my children to go to school and be taught truths and facts and nuance, and be given the opportunity to discuss and debate ideas, to strive for an understanding of the truth.
I worry that schools see their role today as encouraging activism without proper information or understanding, teaching left wing (which I am) ideals and dogma, encouraging outrage and passion but not actually ever engaging in proper critical thinking. They obsess over kindness but don't really create space or encourage disagreement. Prioritising feelings over the truth.

Kilbranan · 26/09/2019 22:13

I agree with others in having concerns about the pressure she is under and what effect this is having on her mental health. I really admire her and agree she is a good role model for teen girls but I suspect she will disappear from view quite quickly as she will need to take time out from all this pressure. She certainly seems quite vulnerable to me and I have to question why her parents allowed her to travel to NY with a bunch strangers on a boat