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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

“Detransition Never Happens” ...

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fiveleftfeet · 22/09/2019 22:31

.... except when it does.

Lots of detransitioners are coming out of the woodwork now, despite the TRA's insistence that they don't exist in large numbers. What powerful, sad and sometimes terrifying stories they're telling.

This is a thread to pull them together on one place.

Thanks to @NotBadConsidering for the idea.

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thirdfiddle · 08/10/2019 08:07

What a shame they're rejecting Charlie's proposed organisation. I hope they eventually come round to a point where they can realise that the us against them politics pedalled by the TRAs is a lie and people really do mean them well.

thirdfiddle · 08/10/2019 08:07

peddled!

Yeahnahyeah · 08/10/2019 09:42

This young women has several videos up. She is really articulate and seems in a good head space considering her hysterectomy, double mastectomy and testosterone treatment.

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/10/2019 17:18

Yes I've seen a couple of detransitioned women being apprehensive about the charity.

This is awful:

I'm getting sick of certain TRAs playing down the rates of detrans and blaming it on rushed inappropriate care. Just one case like this is far too much.

“Detransition Never Happens” ...
NeurotrashWarrior · 09/10/2019 08:59

Interesting thread re detransition statitstics; very complex.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1094022410653876225.html

2BthatUnnoticed · 09/10/2019 13:09

(CW - suicide)

This account is from a male detransioner (it was shared on Twitter with a request to share with anyone it might help, hence hope it is okay to post here).

“Detransition Never Happens” ...
NeurotrashWarrior · 09/10/2019 18:46

That's heartbreaking Sad

Another threat from twitter.com/sathananas

*TMI - but one of my regrets with transition is that I never got to explore my sexuality and my body in a healthy way.
It's sad that it got seen as normal in the trans community to "wait 'til after transition" to be intimate, or to want to bind while being intimate with a partner.

I remember discussions in my friend group about how it was "suspicious" if an FTM managed to come to terms with / let a partner touch body parts they are dysphoric about.
This normalization of self-hatred is heartbreaking to me.

It's another aspect that mirrors anorexia, to me.

"I don't want to let my partner touch me until I am thin." is perhaps one of the most common sentences you can read on ED boards, on threads about how it affects intimacy.

Not just anorexia - body image issues in general.

"I can't let my girlfriend touch me without a binder until I have my breasts removed and will look male to her."

It makes me really... really sad.

I told my therapist that and he nodded his head - it made sense to him that I would hate my breasts since I was "a man".

The only advice he offered was to think of myself as a man with gynecomastia.

More dissociation. More playing pretend.

More seeing my breasts as a mistake, as a condition, as something that shouldn't be there.

Always, always pretending I was just an "odd, malformed man who has to work hard and go through pain to look like one" - instead of, you know, working on accepting what I actually am.*

twitter.com/sathananas/status/1181932976315289601?s=21

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/10/2019 18:46

*thread

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/10/2019 18:55

This is an aspect of experience I hadn't understood; it's hard enough sometimes for some to have early sexual experiences and feel confident with your body and enjoy it fully given the amount of perfection we are expected to have (a la porn) without feeling the expectation to view your body or treat your body in accordance to dysmorphia frameworks, and feeling guilty or 'not really dysphoric.'

I know Seven Hex describes sexual encounters in her early 20s as being part of the longer term narrative that led her to transition (seven is very against under 21s considering transition) as learning about and celebrating your new adult body as a much older teen is part of gaining self acceptance. Affirmation is very dangerous.

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/10/2019 07:45

Bumping today

NotBadConsidering · 13/10/2019 07:21

Very interesting article in the Times today:

“I’m man enough to admit it was a mistake”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gender-reassignment-im-man-enough-to-admit-that-it-was-a-mistake-g2nn79j9j?shareToken=daae2996b29d07cc5bddbc6ebdbc0deb

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/10/2019 07:39

Interesting. Shame it involves religion and also, TRAs would note the lack of acceptance by society being a factor in his inability to live as "his true self". But highlights the lack of rigorous analysis around transition and thinking its about 'women's clothes' and other stereotypes.

From what I've read of Seven's experiences, she never had a particular interest in girls or women's clothes etc and was interested in a wide variety of activities. The experience of needing to transition was a very different one to this story and not taken lightly.

wigglybluelines · 28/10/2019 18:03

There's a thread on the same guy today. He was on 5 live this morning:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3729264-Detransitioner-on-5Live-this-morning-massive-failure-of-medical-profession

wigglybluelines · 28/10/2019 18:05

Adding some links to keep this thread up to date.

There was an article about people detransitioning by James Caspian in Spiked last week:

Why detransitioners frighten trans activists

Thread on that here.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3725222-Why-detransitioners-frighten-trans-activists-James-Caspian-in-Spiked

wigglybluelines · 28/10/2019 18:12

A video about a boy who transitioned then detransitioned. He was an effiminate boy who was affirmed as trans by professionals and his mother got him oestrogen on the internet.

Thread on this here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3720114-60-Minutes-Australia-Detransitioning-teenage-boy

wigglybluelines · 28/10/2019 18:16

A Mail article on the 60 year old male detransitioner (who's also on 5 live and in the Times, above)

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7589655/Former-Army-private-longed-woman-fast-tracked-surgery-regretting-operation.html

Smallblanket · 28/10/2019 20:32

This is Stonewall's take on detransition

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/dispelling-myths-around-detransition

If you click on the link to the research they quote to back up their assertion that detransition is extremely rare, this is the cohort studied:

This study examined factors associated with satisfaction or regret following sex reassignment surgery (SRS) in 232 male-to-female transsexuals operated on between 1994 and 2000 by one surgeon using a consistent technique.

So - very out of date, only male to female candidates, only one surgeon.

The other research, hidden on p 118 of this mind boggling list of papers, consisted of electronically searching through records :
epath.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Boof-of-abstracts-EPATH2019.pdf

Strengths of this study include our use of an electronic search to efficiently scan a large number of patient records and our investigation of reasons for regret and detransition. Limitations of this study include that it only provides a snapshot of current rates of detransition and regret and relied on self-reported experiences of patients who may not have disclosed information relevant to this study in their appointments.

wigglybluelines · 28/10/2019 21:15

That the Tavistock doesn't do proper followup to find out what happens to the children it treats is a scandal in itself IMO.

stucknoue · 28/10/2019 21:25

Well a young friend of mine has, thankfully she never took hormones. She's now out ax a lesbian

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