“Detransition Never Happens” ...

[fiveleftfeet]

.... except when it does.

Lots of detransitioners are coming out of the woodwork now, despite the TRA's insistence that they don't exist in large numbers. What powerful, sad and sometimes terrifying stories they're telling.

This is a thread to pull them together on one place.

Thanks to @NotBadConsidering for the idea.

Yes sookie's thread is heartbreaking. She's attempting to crowd fund reconstructive surgery.

So the therapists know that women regret mutilating themselves but go on recommending surgery anyway?

That's made me feel sick. These doctors should be struck off.

I've just watched and read this.

I'm struck by the amount of victim blaming. Silas urges individuals to make sure they've explored self love before making irreversible changes and yet the health care professionals offer the last minute cancellation slots for mastectomies which is what she did. I'm not sure what pronouns she's using, she still seems to be taking hormones and yet seems painfully aware of how 'her' decisions came about.

www.ihmistenkirjo.net/blog/silas-gonzalez-a-23-year-journey

When I say victim blaming, I mean that she is accepting she made the mistakes and it sound like therapy is telling her she rushed in too quickly.

And yet, teens want these things so badly. They want the pain to stop.

Kirjo is a new Swedish group made up on a detransed woman and two parents of ROGD.

www.ihmistenkirjo.net/

They're collecting articles and experiences.

'Our' very own Thomasin's story:

www.ihmistenkirjo.net/blog/thomasin

Sorry, finnish:

ENGLISH
We are a new anonymous gender critical group in Finland - one detransitioned and two ROGD-mothers. We need friends. We want to make difference starting in Finland on autumn 2019.

yulet

I don't know how to post the links from my phone but reddit has a "detrans" sub with about 5,000 subscribers and routine stories and questions from people with regrets. The stories are really heartbreaking.

Five thousand yulet?! Bloody hell.

Is it possible to form an impression of the percentage of those who are actually detransitioners? As opposed to supporters/allies?

That sub reddit

They're currently discussing rules around taking about taking same sex hormones to aid de transitioning. This particular post stood out:

Do detransed people use the lizard sign on their twitters

Yes, I remember seeing something on Twitter about it.
A detransitioner might be able to confirm if I've got it wrong, but if I recall, it's to do with the symbolism of a gecko regrowing its tail
It's meant as a symbol of hope: the idea that even after being damaged, you can still heal again.

I presume people here are already familiar with Walt Heyer, who not only detranistioned, but is doing much work to mentor other detransitioners.

thefederalist.com/author/walt-heyer/

If anyone isn't, his writing leads down a whole warren ofrabbit holes related to this.

Also on youtube

Very powerful film.

"We are manufacturing transgender children."

Datun, there's no way to easily tell, but they did a survey 6 months ago where 350 people replied and half of them said they were detransitioners.

www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/azj8xd/subreddit_survey_update/

Do detransed people use the lizard sign on their twitters?
Yes, I've seen it on Spinster too.

Carey Callahan talks openly about her detransition
medium.com/@mariacatt42

My xh was a kind of detransitioner, though I doubt he counts because he'd only just started medical transition - a few weeks of hormones. He certainly didn't present as femme at any stage of our relationship, apart from makeup which I occasionally put on him. I'd like to know how many people desist at every stage of transition because I would hypothesise that a big majority of those with sex dysphoria never transition or stop or reverse transition and are ok with that. Without knowing more about it how can the phenomena of sex dysphoria and transition be understood?

Without knowing more about it how can the phenomena of sex dysphoria and transition be understood?

Precisely and yet James Caspian's research proposals were refused on the grounds of it being transphobic.

I'm just sharing this on the one hand encouraging tweet, on the other worrying in that detrans still seems to be an alien concept.

TRA orgs continue to use stats in regret from transsexual women in the 80s and 90s as proof that “no one” detransitions or regrets transition. While also working to prevent any further research on the current population.

BTW @buckangel is onboard with supporting detrans women via research AND publicizing / investigating the downsides of transition for trans men. I don’t agree with him on everything to be sure but he is a detrans / transmed ally.

Thanks for clarifying that, I've seen Buck in many conversations but not sure which 'side' he's on.

Also this was launched this week:

twitter.com/charlie_sci/status/1179043758039588864?s=21

I'm not a fan of 99.9% of what is posted on the feminist board here, but this is an interesting thing to look into.

I didn't know gender neutral was a thing, that it was OK to feel that way, and I mistakenly thought I was trans, when I was in my late teens.

I came out, but also said I didn't ever want to transition, because whilst I can fully accept someone else transitioning and being happy, for me personally I wouldn't have an exact, perfect male body and full working parts and that wasn't good enough for me on a personal level.

More recently I've been able to discover that feeling somewhere in the middle, hating my female chest and finding it cumbersome, painful on my back and in the way etc while accepting that my genitals are female ones, is OK.

I have wanted a breast reduction since I grew my breasts. In the last few months, from mumsnet, I've learnt that "topsurgery" exists. This is the extent of what I would do to charge my physical appearance. I would not do anything else.

I had a fling with a woman who was a post op trans person (m to f) and she harboured certain feelings of regret and confusion over having gone through her transition. But she had deep rooted mental health issues which I can't believe weren't picked up on by the team who did her transition.

Most trans friends and people I've met are genuinely happy in their skin since their transitions. I also know a fair few 'gender benders' and they're content in themselves and happy wearing short pvc skirts and mesh tops, etc etc.

So I do think this is something which needs talking about more. I think trans people are real, that some people really are trans, but there's got to be several others who are like myself and didn't feel comfortable being labelled and treated as a woman (or man) but who don't actually want to transition either.

I know I felt 'inbetween', ever since I was small. But I thought it would be a very taboo thing to say, that it would make me very weird and even more unpopular than I already was, if I said I felt like neither male or female. Being trans, as a label, felt more acceptable. I'm really glad that we are now familiar with the terms non binary, gender queer, gender neutral etc.

Nothing which I've typed proves anyone's points here, I should mention. This board is all about point scoring between terfs and tras. One more than the other. But I do think what I've said needed sharing.

Rejecting gender constraints is a thing too anothermonicker. I think it's a much more liberating thing than sticking a new label on yourself. I think most people here would agree that you don't need a special label to just get on with being who you are and presenting whatever way feels good to you. Woman literally does just mean person with female body. It doesn't limit us further than that. I don't want to have a nonbinary or queer label stuck on me, that's just another box someone's trying to shove me in. I'm a woman, a person with a female body, and anyone who thinks that means I should present a particular way or have particular interests can just sod off. (And yes totally agree boobs are annoying to cart around. Handy for feeding babies though.)

But she had deep rooted mental health issues which I can't believe weren't picked up on by the team who did her transition

Sadly, I can believe it. It seems fairly common that the mental health issues are not addressed, or that physical alteration is seen as the way to improve those mental health issues without any evidence it will.

This board is all about point scoring between terfs and tras. One more than the other

No one is trying to point-score here, unless you think trying to prevent children from making life-altering physical changes to their bodies when there is no evidence it helps. People here are trying to look after people. And please don’t use the word “terf” it’s not acceptable here.

I'm not a fan of 99.9% of what is posted on the feminist board here

Most of your post is concerned with exactly the same things that are discussed on here every day, so I wonder why you are not a 'fan'.

I know I felt 'inbetween', ever since I was small. But I thought it would be a very taboo thing to say, that it would make me very weird and even more unpopular than I already was, if I said I felt like neither male or female. Being trans, as a label, felt more acceptable. I'm really glad that we are now familiar with the terms non binary, gender queer, gender neutral etc.

I would say it's far from weird to not want to totally conform to stereotypes. In that sense, nearly everyone is non binary. I think this label is unhelpful because it implies that conforming to stereotypes is the norm, and that not conforming means that we are somehow not women. Woman is a biological category which says nothing about your personality.

Wor Charlie!

news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740?fbclid=IwAR1WadOBcuAHkxHOjqKnUsKCmrZ6I7XE_aWnfoE4ZxxpAmCYgGnNTyBbWUQ

Heartbreaking

twitter.com/sathananas/status/1180399021271191552?s=21

I've been following this on Twitter, and yes it's utterly heartbreaking. The pain and fragility is palpable.

My heart goes out to this person - and to every other young person who is caught up in this web of delusion and deceit, borne out of the failure of those in charge who should
know better.

Adding another voice I've just found; this woman is experiencing vision loss after stopping T.

twitter.com/trans_butch/status/1180857720125218816?s=21