Michael Conroy exposes the DARVO in Izzard's teenage girl trauma

[OrchidInTheSun]

I'm sure we've all read this passage where Izzard bravely takes on teenage girls who challenge him for being in the women's toilets hundreds of times before but Michael's take down is spot on. And funny

medium.com/@MichaelConroy68/my-first-day-out-by-eddie-izzard-c8ff9bcae245

He was switching clothes in the women's toilets because he was scared of men in the men's toilets. It has never crossed his mind that a man in the women's toilets may be scary to the women and girls actually using it. Because they do not feature on his radar as real actual people.

Like the lesbian who he decides he won't pursue - her attraction to women doesn't even enter his head and the woman who he goes into town with (never gets a mention other than as a sort of protective shield - and he is lucky, rather than grateful, she agrees to go in with him). Women are non-people. We are just outfits that can be discarded at will.

I suspect an ulterior motive. I think using the women’s was meant to be arousing. And perhaps, hopefully, those young women spoiled it for him

Evil bonerkiller junior witches in training! I hope they all fulfilled that promise as they grew up and are the kind of women I'd be proud to call friends now.

So any women (potential, imagined or otherwise) in the toilet expressing alarm or fear were presumably spoiling his thrill.

Or adding to it.

I just read another article on this.

Quote: '“I am just this guy. I am transgender and I exist. But that is just my sexuality …'

So, transgenderism is sexuality? Is this how it's ended up pinned to the end of the LGB? It's not a gendered soul, it's gendered sexuality?

Genuine question.

Source for Izzard's quote, above: www.noted.co.nz/currently/currently-profiles/eddie-izzard-on-beating-the-bullies-and-sorting-his-sexuality

Yes AnyOld - I remember thinking that at the time. Why did someone who was obviously a man in a dress (as stated in the article MN!!!) not go into the men's toilets to change back into jeans? I imagine the biggest challenge he would have faced there was a raised eyebrow and some jokey banter.

When he turned round and shouted at the girls, it was as a fully masculine presenting male. One who had just been behaving oddly in a female toilet, around teenage girls. What kind of narcissistic delusion makes him believe he is a courageous victim?

Silly Eddie, you're not supposed to admit that it's a sexuality.

I’m wondering what will happen a few years from now when - in their ideal world - loos are unisex.

I’m imagining a little old transgender ‘lady’ peeing their pants when some large bloke lurches into the loos and starts eyeing them up for lunch. Because at the moment people like Izzard have no fear of the ladies loo - they don’t get it - in fact they find it funny that that they intimidate and scare women and girls, and for some others it’s a big joke to take selfies with girls in the background.

'If you confront aggression—Sometimes just standing your ground or even with cheeriness and politeness—sometimes you can shut it down. It’s not a perfect science, but it feels better than being scared. I also learned that you could feel empowered by facing people down.'

• seems to be precisely what three children did to him.

So, transgenderism is sexuality?

Transvestic fetishism (which is what seems to be described here) is a paraphilia. It's nothing to do with a gendered soul.

they don’t get it - in fact they find it funny that that they intimidate and scare women and girls

This

I wish men would stop getting their jollies by frightening women. A trait not reserved to the Izzards of this world. There are plenty of men not clumping around in high heels who also like to do this

If he was going to make something up, couldn't he have made up a story that made him look better? I mean, this makes Izzard look totally ridiculous and a self-centred misogynistic bully.

Thanks, OldCrone. Is transvestic fetishism different to transgenderism?

I have heard transgenderism described as having the wrong soul in the wrong body. (I don't personally believe in souls).

I stood up to those little girls! Who as everyone knows are the most terrifying members of society, especially when you're a decade older than them and twice as broad across the shoulders.

It occurs to me that a certain kind of misogynistic creep (witness current MRA invasion) really does think that teenage girls are the most powerful members of society because that's who they want to shag and can't, therefore they reframe the rejection by the girls as cruel exercise of unearned power. Izzard is clever enough to realize that framing that as literally "I asked them for a shag and they said no" would get limited public sympathy, but frame it as rejection of your gender identity and suddenly the tables are turned and you finally get to punish those young girls for having the power not to want anything to do with you.

God that was good. I listened to this on book of the week on radio 4. I couldn't believe this bit, was shouting at the radio.

Scrimshaw This is the Stonewall trans umbrella:

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.
www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/glossary-terms#t

Transvestic fetishism is where someone is sexually aroused by crossdressing (which is under the Stonewall umbrella).

Transvestic fetishism is a separate condition, which involves “intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving cross-dressing”
www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/transvestic-fetishism

Izzard is a crossdresser, and he has described this as a 'sexuality', so I assume he is sexually aroused by his crossdressing.

DON’T GOOGLE ‘DARVO’ OR YOU’LL BE CLASSED AS A TROLL AND BEARDED GAMERS WILL UNGLUE THEMSELVES FROM PORNHUB JUST LONG ENOUGH TO SEND YOU AN ANIME DEATH-THREAT

It's funny because it's true.

Thanks, OldCrone, for the links. Izzard refers to himself as 'transgender'. I wonder where the line between the definitions is.

Absolutely to this being an exciting experience for Izzard, where women aren't real people, just potential sex partners (just wholly reorient their sexuality to your purpose so you can use them properly) and props in your personal agenda. Proper girls presumably would have either 'not noticed' (the bloke behaving highly suspiciously in the toilets and scaring them) or offered lipstick and validation cookies.

You get the impression that the main problem with using women's spaces is all the bloody women in them.

And jeez the heroism in turning on three thirteen year old children and making them scream and run away. How does it go: men are afraid that women will laugh at them (or make their penises sad); women are afraid that men will kill them.

I have a box set of his, I used to love his comedy. I tried watching it the other day and had to turn it off, it was just disgusting me. He about finished me off in his more recent interview where he airily announced that some women might self exclude from bathrooms/services/life saving health care (because of their religion, culture, trauma, disability, fear, things that he's given a lifelong impression of caring about), but whatevs, more fool them, it's more important that he gets to express his sexuality freely in women's spaces than it is for women to have human rights.

Utterly self centred, utterly unable to see women as anything but objects for his personal use.

I used to love Eddie when he was a bloke who wore nail varnish and heels when he fancied. Nowadays I can't stand him.

Ok I’m going to ask. So dressing can be a sexual turn-on thing.

Umm - to put it delicately, for whom? I don’t think I would find a man pretending to be a woman/feminine (so discount men in eyeliner, etc as was the fashion when I were a lass) in any way arousing or attractive - and I’m not certain there’s a whole pool of men or women who would. Is it more a power thing?

It's weird how many people don't know about cross-dressing as a fetish. I thought it was fairly common knowledge, like how everyone knows about flashers.
Is it because any cock in a frock can now call themselves 'trans' and refer to their fetish as an 'identity'?
Thanks Stonewall and Ruth Hunt. What a legacy!

Ok I’m going to ask. So dressing can be a sexual turn-on thing.

Umm - to put it delicately, for whom? I don’t think I would find a man pretending to be a woman/feminine (so discount men in eyeliner, etc as was the fashion when I were a lass) in any way arousing or attractive - and I’m not certain there’s a whole pool of men or women who would. Is it more a power thing?

For themselves - autogynephillia is to be aroused by the idea of oneself as a woman. I think other people are mostly incidental, props or part of the validation as the self as a woman.

(I hope that was what you were asking there and I'm not just answering a different question).

I have very little respect for Izzard now but I did enjoy this take down - thank you for posting OP.

Umm - to put it delicately, for whom?

For them, of course. It's how AGP often starts.

Autogynephilia is defined as a male's propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female. It is the paraphilia that is theorized to underlie transvestism and some forms of male-to-female (MtF) transsexualism. Autogynephilia encompasses sexual arousal with cross-dressing and cross-gender expression that does not involve women's clothing per se. Autogynephilia resembles a sexual orientation in that it involves elements of idealization and attachment as well as erotic desire.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22005209

Bingo - you had it in one.