Sheffield strip club keeps licence despite opposition by feminist coalition

[stumbledin]

From the way the Guardian reports it (but does anyone think their reporting is unbiased) the undercover filming that campaigners organised has worked against them.

I think the licence will be reviewer again in a year. Have a horrible feeling that if it hadn't been "feminists" campaigning but "local" people the council would have acted differently. The patriarchy likes to be seen to slapping down uppity women.

They didn't even value the opinion of the local Rape Crisis Centre which works nearby.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/17/sheffield-strip-club-keeps-licence-despite-opposition-by-feminist-coalition

It’s easy to work out. Those shouting down at everyone, posting random pics, being patronising and abusive and view all men as nothing more than penis are the rad fems.

Anyone who isn’t like the above are people with their own minds that haven’t being indoctrinated.

Sounds about right @MsMelanie
Still would love to know what the seperate posts of a random pic, an urgh , and a no was about though.

Argh! Separate not separate
The shame

Jesus. Separate not seperate
FFS

These are your opinions shared by some and not by others. You do not have the authority to say what is and isn’t empowering and speak for the masses. Sorry but really you don’t

Both men and women don't work in female lap dancing clubs

Doesn't that statement give you pause for thought?

Isn't it a bit peculiar that an "industry" exists which is only staffed by women?

Of course there are heavy industries where are few if any women for sound physical reasons but there are very few , if any sectors, which are single sex. How odd therefore does that make stripping?

I suppose there is a physical reason for stripping being a single sex "career" - only women have cunts to flash in men's faces. I can't really get my head round the mindset that thinks well that's fine, that's ok.

@RosesAndRaindrops

It was @Mamello ‘s post

Not sure mamellos post makes it any clearer as she posted after all the pic, urgh no"bollocks if that's what you're referring to?...
FFS, yes all this cryptic bollocks is confusing (not aimed at you) just say what you (general you!) mean in the first place lol and all this would be avoided

Sorry the random pics, ugh etc has nothing to do with me and were posted before my post.

MsMelanie. Of course I don't speak for the masses, nor do you. I'm putting forward an argument against the commodification of sex globally in a chat forum. The only counter argument I've heard is if women want to do it that makes it all ok. But there's lots of things that aren't ok just because some individual wants to do it. That's when society has to make a decision as to what it feels is acceptable for all. At present lap dancing is seen as ok if properly regulated (which clearly is problematic in some cases). I disagree. That's all.

I’m late to this thread and finding it confusing.

Isn’t the OP about women at a club who experienced wrongful treatment in breach of regulations? Shouldn’t those women be centred here?

If you are or were in the industry without experiencing similar, that’s good for you but how is it relevant to the OP?

I may be misreading, but it’s almost as though the allegedly positive experiences of some, is being used to discredit the suffering of other women.

It is very 'not all strip clubs' violate 200 rules in 20 minutes.

I used to be all for choice until I started coming to these boards. Doing so made me realise a lot of the things I thought women where entitled to make their own mind up about, where harmful to my daughters, to myself and to all women in society.

Great if you have 'worked' as a stripper and had a good experience, but because sex industries survive women and girls are trafficked, exploited, coerced, raped, more likely to be drug addicts and sometimes financially feel they have no other choice, which is a problem in itself. In the tiny sex industry where men 'work', these issues are no where near as prevalent.

There are lots of things we aren't free to do by choice, legally anyway, because those things are harmful to ourselves or to others or they cause disruption to a civilised society, why is this any different?

I truly feel sorry for any woman who feels empowered by a man buying her body with cash.

I am not keen on the talk of ‘sides’

I dont have a side...especially on this subject and thread where i am trying to read about the different experiences

With regard to the clubs only (not any discussion on the rights and wrongs) it seems to be that there are clubs which obey the rules and others that quite obviously dont

It would be interesting to hear from posters with experience what they think would solve that problem. I did like the posters suggestion upthread of the clubs losing their license and new management

@CuntAmongstThePigeons

I know!!!! It does sound implausible, and it's exactly what I thought when I first started hearing/thinking about strip clubs. But honestly it's not!

And this is what I think people really struggle to get, if you haven't lived it it just seems utterly preposterous. But I've found being unapologetic, asking difficult questions has for whatever reason worked. Customers come back again and again and again. They could hire a prostitue for the night for a fraction of the price but they don't. I don't know why I wish I did.

Honestly, give up trying to explain. I've said exactly this several times. They only understand from their level of comprehension, tell us we're liars, tell us we're myths. I know you know that. Every dancer knows that. It's not like we haven't been sick of this tripe for years now.

They've got zero actual, real experience of the industry, and yet one of them tells me my ten year career and the things that happened in it are "all in my head"

That's literally the level you're dealing with here. Pointless trying to educate from the view of the real, actual dancing majority. They can't bear to accept it. These amazing feminists.

Anyways, glad to see yet another one of us attempting to get through that stories like this are the exception not the rule. I mean, you get ignored/belittled/called a liar exactly same as me, but again, this ain't mamas first rodeo with these lot, yours neither

cunt

Im trying to understand so please dont stop posting and trying to explain

Imagine if a story broke about how badly the workers in your local widget factory were treated.

If I was a retired widget maker from the factory in the next town, the last thing I would do would be to go around shouting about how making widgets is actually a great and rewarding career, and we shouldn't focus on this particular factory because it's unrepresentative of the widget industry as a whole.

I certainly wouldn't shout over discussions about the widget makers, distract those sympathetic to them and make the conversation all about me. Neither would I expect people from outside the industry but who are oddly invested in widget production to assist with the silencing of the widget makers by repeatedly diverting and derailing any discussion about them.

In fact, as a Trade Unionist, my first thought would be to consider how I can help widget makers less privileged than myself, and what ways the workers could organise for better working conditions.

Widget makers of the world, unite.

I don't understand, if the strippers are not being paid to strip; then why are they called strippers and getting their kit off, in strip clubs?

It is very confusing.

@TinselAngel

I get what you're saying.

What we're saying is, wow, ok, I don't know what happened in that widget factory, because we've worked in 20 and never experienced it. It's not the face of our industry. It's by no means representative.

And those claiming that their dodgy behaviour in that factory was the norm or that they were forced to by the factory management, (to try and save face, rather than admit they were entirely responsible for choosing to behave poorly themselves) represent the rest of us in no way either.

And we're being told by people who have only theoretical knowledge that we're liars.

And those claiming that their dodgy behaviour in that factory was the norm or that they were forced to by the factory management, (to try and save face, rather than admit they were entirely responsible for choosing to behave poorly themselves) represent the rest of us in no way either.

I just don't know who to believe. The ones with documented evidence or the pile on here telling everyone how rosy it is and that bad stuff never happens.

It is unusual, I think, for workers to care more for the reputation of their industry than they do for the fellow individuals working in it.

Unless they have some kind of financial interest in the success of the industry I suppose.

Tentacle
By what Courtney said though, I took to mean that she was saying workers " dodgy behaviour" wouldn't be representative of the entire industry as a whole.
Not that bad things never happen at all.

By what Courtney said though, I took to mean that she was saying workers "dodgy behaviour" wouldn't be representative of the entire industry as a whole

Courtney said the evidence was bollocks. All 200 instances.

In fact Courtney said 'That just didn't happen'.

Well said Tinsel.. As a retired widget maker you might even have insights into ways and means for improving conditions in widget factories.

cuntamong I had friends who stripped while we were going through uni, and fared okay with it. It’s good to hear varying perspectives.

I also know of women who did not fare well. I’m not sure what the question is. Is there an adult industry union over there?

(Not sure what the answer is)

Why do strip clubs exist?

They exist because men feel entitled to see naked tits and cunts whenever they want to help them have a wank. It’s important that men shouldn’t be greatly inconvenienced when they have the urge to see naked tits and cunts, so strip clubs enable them to see naked tits and cunts without any more effort than googling their nearest strip club and paying some money. Many of the men who do this have wives or girlfriends at home, often perfectly attractive women with perfectly nice and functional tits and cunts of their own, but some men get bored of seeing the same tits and cunts naked and feel entitled to see different naked tits and cunts to wank over. Plus it’s not the same, is it? Their wife is a decent woman. These naked tits and cunts...well, they’re barely one step up from whores, aren’t they? If they had any self-respect, they wouldn’t be doing it. Don’t get these men wrong, they’re glad some women do, especially when there’s an aching cock to be serviced, but it’s not something they’d want their daughter to do.

The men who pay to see naked tits and cunts don’t care about the rest of the woman these naked tits and cunts are attached to. They don’t care what’s going on in their head. If their favourite tits and cunt left the club they’d be sad for a little while, but there’s some more naked tits and cunts just over there that their cock will get equally hard to, so that’s okay. They’re hardly going to stop coming just because one particular pair of tits and a cunt leaves, are they? They’re not going to waste time thinking about the rest of that woman’s life or why she left. They need some more images to have a wank to and why would they stop going when they’re entitled to see all the naked tits and cunts they want and it’s so easy for them to do it, no real effort required at all.

Most men who pay to see naked tits and cunts will have convinced themselves all the women with the naked tits and cunts love doing this as much as they love wanking over them. That way they don’t have to think about things like trafficking and coercion, because those things kill their buzz and - in most, though not all cases - make it more difficult to get a hard on. They convince themselves that when the girls with the naked tits and cunts smile and chat with them, they’re not just trying to get them to spend more money in the club. The girls really like them. In fact they’re pretty sure that they’re the special one that the girls would show their naked tits and cunt to without money changing hands, if things were different, because they really like his cock. He’s the King Cock. It’s not really a transaction at all...they like it.

Some men find the line between the type of women they used to respect and the naked tits and cunts in the club becoming a bit more blurred, and find themselves treating the former like they treat the latter. Some never really had that line in place to begin with. How can you respect women when they get their tits and cunts out as soon as you show them some money? They’re all the same. These men hear some of the women who like showing their naked tits and cunt talk about feeling empowered and having the real power over men and get very angry, because this confirms their own feelings of powerlessness that they don’t want to admit to. Is that what that whore down the strip club thinks? We’ll see about that... Is that how their wife feels? We’ll see about that...