Easy as PIE – the rebranding of paedophilia (and how twitter is complicit)

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(Reading this I should have got more and more angry, but in fact I got sadder and sadder, and felt its hard to belief that twitter could get this so wrong.)

CURRENTLY, there is a growing movement to rebrand paedophilia — a word which in itself is problematic — although it is currently synonymous with people who sexually abuse children.

Twitter currently has a policy which explicitly states that “discussions related to child exploitation as a phenomenon or attraction to minors are permitted, provided they don’t glorify CSE in any way.”
This change in policy was achieved by a renowned expert in the treatment of paedophilia and “Map” advocate lobbying Twitter’s director of trust and safety, stating that it would “help reduce the stigma associated with pedophilia [sic].”

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/easy-pie-rebranding-paedophilia?

Survivor of CSE Jacqui Dillon writes about how campaigning against the normalising of paedophilia and challenging twitter's failure to protect young people got her trolled and then band from twitter.

I wonder if someone should tell her about Spinster?

It's a brilliant albeit depressing article shining much needed light on this. (I read it earlier when someone linked to it on Spinster).

"Glorify" is the king of the weasel words in this case, isn't it? I've seen
"MAPS" on Twitter engaging in conversations that I would most definitely classify as attempts to rebrand pedophiles as the victims of societal prejudice, and while that might not technically be glorifying CSE, it is working its way up to excusing it.

Twitter is seriously dodgy, what on earth are the board of directors doing?

A few years ago "MAPS" were marching at Pride

If you read the morning star article you'll notice that the tactics used by the pedophile apologists are exactly the same as the tactics used by trans activists.

What's spinster?

A woman centred social media platform, managed. There are longer threads talking about it on FWR, if you want more info.

I’ve seen this on twitter regarding this deeply alarming article threadreaderapp.com/thread/1172817591515131904.html

Safe Schools Alliance have got an excellent twitter thread about this: twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1172817591515131904

Yes please rt the SSA thread if you have Twitter.

This is just appalling. I also always think of that Tavistock Times article where a practitioner was concerned that the father was a paedophile and pushing for blockers for his daughter.

Yes please retweet our twitter thread sunkisses linked to. I don’t think the majority of people have any idea what’s going on with the normalisation of paedophilia.

We see them. We know who and what they are.

PIE is a fascinating study of people and their motives - and how they will try to get their way.

There are still people in politics NOW who supported and promoted PIE. I was a small kid back then and even I knew it was creepy and wrong.

Indeed. It's unsurprising that some of those same people continue making choices that are either poor or ethically questionable now, depending on whether you attribute their behavior to malice or stupidity.

Harriet Harman supported PIE and now wants to be Speaker of the HOC.
Shocking.

What has she said about that? Anything? I haven’t followed up what happened to the creatures who set the whole thing up (2 men if my memory serves me) or the 400 odd (men I assume) who joined the club.

@Coffeeandchocolate9 do you have any evidence for that? I would add that I do NOT doubt you, but I like to have hoarded evidence to throw at people if I make a point to them, and that is definitely something I would like to shout about loudly and angrily.

I'll start looking myself, but just incase you had anything to hand.

When I see a photo of a doggy man (always men huh) with a child holding a lead I think ‘MAP’. I may be doing doggyman a disservice - but why dress up as your kink and encourage little kiddies over?

It's surprising / worrying that paedophiles who would be barred from contact with children in real life are granted, by Twitter, even more contact with children online. Would owning a twitter account be legally allowed for a paedophile who is barred from contacting children? Seeing as though Twitter isn't in a position to know, their default should be to ban all of these accounts. It's fucking outrageous. Schools guidance needs looking into, because it currently allows twitter at 13 / WhatsApp at 16 (?). Twitter age should be raised in light of open paedophile support from Twitter. I will send this article to my school for comment.

When I see a photo of a doggyman I think "you look ridiculous". But yeah, if a child is holding the lead then my next thought would be "someone should call the police".

I am never letting my children on social media. No tech for them. Why do people have to be so horrible?

“help reduce the stigma associated with pedophilia [sic].”

Batshit. The stigma should be increased, not reduced.

There is a thread in feminism chat that discusses Harriet Harman and PIE.
Sorry I can't do links on my phone.

The story about Harriet Harman is really the story about the NCCL, now Liberty.

Unfortunately, and some people forget this, a lot of 70s politics was influenced by some of the more dippy hippy approach to life. (The formation of Women's Liberation in 70s had far more to do with women rejecting the - male - free love hipppy message than any academics, socialists or popular writers)

So at the time the NCCL allowed the PIE network to affiliate to them, and in fact later released statements supporting their "rights". Both Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewitt were part of the NCCL, as were a number of leftie men, who somehow never get called to account.

I've found 2 news stories which give some idea of what happened. And it was only on reading these that I then saw there is a link to Margaret Hodge who as Labour Leader of Islington held cover up child abuse in the borough, which not only was incredible damaging to the children concerned, but also 2 very brave women social workers who attempted to get the men concerned held to account.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/pie-controversy-harriet-harman-has-got-this-one-wrong-9162728.html

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/02/how-paedophiles-infiltrated-the-left-harriet-harman-patricia-hewitt

Worth remembering that at that time NCCL (National Council for Civil Liberties) also opposed Women's Liberationists who were insisting on the right for women only meetings and services, as they said it was discriminatory.

Just like how such groups cleverly attached themselves to the gay movement and seek sympathy from anyone woke, they’re now doing the same thing with the Trans movement. I’m not equating the two but unfortunately there is a crossover with many of the loud mouthed leaders who purport to speak for all transsexual people.

There have been many other examples so far in what is relatively short period like the Aniv was my calls character and Challenor. You’d think people would go to long lengths to disassociate themselves from such behaviours but it’s ludicrous that a main party like the Lib Dem’s (who are growing in popularity and successfully establishing themselves as major party) with some pretty horrible characters. They can’t even claim faux naivety as the facts are out.

When the scandals break do not let these stupidly well meaning but actually dangerous lefties off the hook. The pup play crap and other fetishist stuff is even more insidious and blatant and you still get politicians coming out the blocks call people something ‘ic’.

Peoples sex lives are their own business (obviously not anything to do with children) but they have do belonging in pro liberal movements. When you see idiots like Owen Jones going all in defending rubberman (for doing wanking whilst on shift at child safety organisation and posting and bragging about it publicly (as opposed indulging off duty) you realise how fucked up stuff is