Pronouns, again.

[EverylittleAlps]

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/sep/13/pronouns-gender-he-she-they-natalie-wynn-contrapoints

The gist, if you can't be bothered to read it, is that even trans and non-binary people are finding pronoun-cements a drag, if you will.

I’m totally down with this. Will implement the RWCA at first available opportunity.

"What are your pronouns?"

"I refer m'learned friend to the Walker ruling, 14919."

Sometimes pronoun introductions only happen when a gender non-conforming person is in the room, for example. Naturally, that person can feel singled out. In Zimman’s view, you solve this problem by normalizing pronoun introduction so everyone is clear it is standard and hasn’t been rolled out specifically for them.

No thanks. I'm not doing that. Luckily, I do not work or study at a university.

BickerinBrattle Something I noticed in the North East of England, and maybe this is the same in some other regions, is that "identity" in terms of name and location are very much based on "community" rather than the individual, so:

"What do they call her?" rather than "What is her name?"

• "They call her X-name".

"Where does she belong?" rather than "Where does she come from?"

• "She belongs X-place".

so everyone is clear it is standard

It isn't.

Mole we already know northern women are... different. Maybe that goes with their aggressive argumentative characteristics!

I'm from the North East ya bitch

😂

In my bit of the North, everyone gets called luv. Men call men 'luv' every day.

If someone says 'sweetheart' at the end of a sentence and pronounces all the t's audibly, it's Def Con 3 and things could go either way.

We're too busy trying to survive austerity to be arsing around wi' wurds. Can't frame wi that at all.

It serves no purpose other than to emphasize the gender binary and make us focus more on who is male and who is female in the room. It centers gender in everything instead of making it less significant.
This!
"What are your pronouns"
"Why do you ask me that?"
"Just trying to be inclusive"
"Well I feel that you're being homophobic"

Will be my answer

What’s the best way of dealing with pronoun introductions as a GC feminist?

"I am she-ra, princess of power"?

Birdsfotttrefoil we already know northern women are... different. Maybe that goes with their aggressive argumentative characteristics!

Stealthpolarbear I'm from the North East ya bitch

Welsh is an absolute nightmare of a language, on the misgendering front, I just realised!

Not just her/him, her/his. In Welsh, the beginning of the next word may change (because of mutations), depending on the subject/s.

E.g. Take the word "car" (in a vehicle sense, a car!). It is also, happily, "car" in Welsh too!

But when describing whose car it is, you have the following:
Her car - Ei char
His car - Ei gar
Their car - Eu car

And "ball" - "pêl" in Welsh:
Her ball - Ei phêl
His ball - Ei bêl
Their ball - Eu pêl.

Imagine the fun!

For all that the Woke bleat on about “colonialist” imposition of gender identity, the primacy of self over community as well as the notion of a self-identity, whether fixed or fragmentary and changeable, is Western to the core.

These people aren't really interested in breaking down colonialism, or learning about other ways of thinking or other cultures. Their interest in other cultures is only about using them as a tool to use in the service of a deconstruction of western culture.

What if we worked to break those limitations down instead?

Many years ago, some feminists suggested using the same pronouns for everybody. 'Co' was one possibility, to be used for males and females alike.
They didn't get anywhere with it, tho.

*How would you edit a love story, so as to allow for the fact that the females MIGHT have penises or the men COULD have babies..."

I think that could actually be an interesting story.
But it wouldn't be reality.

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Thanks lovely feminists for this thread being here so that I could find an article to cite when someone in my workplace suggested pronouns in email signatures. And for giving me the confidence to share my views on this at work. You all rock.

How would you edit a love story, so as to allow for the fact that the females MIGHT have penises or the men COULD have babies..."

If trans ideology became standard just about every single novel ever published would have to be edited for "inclusivity", or pulped. Think about it. ALL novels automatically assume gender based on sex.
Most non-fiction is the same.

The same goes for all movies.

We'd basically have to start again from scratch.

I'm exhausted just thinking about it.