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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

James Kirkup on Ruth Hunt's peerage

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TimeLady · 12/09/2019 13:31

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/09/can-you-imagine-a-lobbyist-against-womens-rights-being-made-a-peer/

And as ever, my criticism is for politicians (and others) who have failed to subject Stonewall’s advocacy to the same scrutiny and critical analysis that all lobbying should face, and which is too often absent from the trans debate.
That failure means that Ruth Hunt, who ran a long and dedicated campaign to lessen women’s rights under the law, will take up a permanent seat in Parliament with barely a whisper of comment on her record. That is not how politics should work and it is not how politics works in other areas of policy.

As always, thank you, James.

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BarbaraStrozzi · 12/09/2019 13:36

Thank you James. Another great article and very timely.

Fink · 12/09/2019 13:40

It's not exactly 'welcome to politics' as he says at the end. She started out in student politics when I was an undergraduate with her. Was president of the student union, involved with the NUS, and has been very politically engaged ever since (and I assume before).

It's a good article and I like that he is making some noise about the trans issue, but it is disingenuous to suggest that people like Ruth Hunt are not in politics until they get into the House of Lords - it's how a lot of cross-bench peers like to present themselves as above the petty little system of party politics when in fact they've been deeply involved for many years.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 12/09/2019 14:28

Depressing. But goes with ennobling a man convicted of domestic abuse I guess. I heard her say 'women will always get raped'. So.......we shouldn't bother to try and prevent this? Women should suck it up? Learn to put up with it? She's a woman who hates women.

GrinitchSpinach · 12/09/2019 14:44

Excellent piece. Found this part particularly salient:

For the avoidance of doubt, there is nothing illegitimate about Stonewall’s activities under Hunt, nothing sinister about its actions or intent: it is a charity in good standing whose leader prosecuted its case to the best of her ability, advocating policies Stonewall judged beneficial to the people it says it represents – transgender women.

People still think Stonewall advocates for homosexuals. Few people understand yet that they now promote an ideology that casts homosexuality as bigotry and exclusion.

Datun · 12/09/2019 15:07

Few people understand yet that they now promote an ideology that casts homosexuality as bigotry and exclusion.

The world needs to know this.

advocating policies Stonewall judged beneficial to the people it says it represents – transgender women.

And, on their behalf, ensuring that women who have been raped by men, however they identify, are not allowed sanctuary away from men to recover.

Because not only is being raped by men an unaddressable fact of life, it's a fact of life that takes second place to men's validation. Validation that is actually, monstrously demanded of those same raped women.

RoyalCorgi · 12/09/2019 15:18

Very good piece. Well said, James - as always.

Nappyvalley15 · 12/09/2019 16:09

Great article. Incredible that RH got a peerage after what she presided over.

FadingStar · 12/09/2019 16:15

Hunt is one of the worst for me. She pushed this woman hatred and specifically lesbian hatred, dismissing every concern. I think what she has done is quite evil, and I really do not say that lightly.

TimeLady · 12/09/2019 16:27

She can sit alongside her "huge inspiration", Baroness Chakrabarti.

www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2016/15-april/features/interviews/interview-ruth-hunt-chief-executive-stonewall

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happydappy2 · 12/09/2019 16:29

It is depressing that a female PM awarded this peerage....to another woman who is hellbent on eroding womens rights.

FadingStar · 12/09/2019 16:36

Is Hunt's motivation purely personal greed? 🤔

truthisarevolutionaryact · 12/09/2019 17:04

Another thoughtful article from James Kirkup. Such a shame that he can't persuade all the MPs who agree to speak out openly - they will only speak to him off the record.

FlyingOink · 12/09/2019 17:43

Is Hunt's motivation purely personal greed?
Hunt is an educated idiot.
The outcome is evil but Hunt just isn't clever enough to have foreseen the impact on women, gay rights, children's health etc.
Her head is in the sand, she's been used to make the case for AGP men having total sexual freedom and to weaken safeguarding for children. Once men can be mothers and children no longer are entitled to one the perverts will have won.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think she's particularly nice, but what's happened here is that the Head Girl has been used by smarter and crueller minds to achieve an aim.

Needmoresleep · 12/09/2019 17:55

whose leader prosecuted its case to the best of her ability, sounds like being damned with faint praise. How limited were those abilities?

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 12/09/2019 18:01

I get a very strong impression that she despises other women, and that she sees raped and/or incarcerated women as so weak and stupid as to be beneath her contempt.

I don't think she cares a stuff about transwomen either, except as the vehicle that has taken her to a seat in the house of Lords.

TimeLady · 12/09/2019 19:04

Yep, bagged a seat on the gravy train.

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StrangeLookingParasite · 12/09/2019 19:44

Her reply: ‘Men are always going to rape women.’

So let's make it as easy as possible, Ruth, eh?

Lumene · 12/09/2019 19:58

I heard her say 'women will always get raped'

I can’t think of any other public figure who would have got away with this.

Lumene · 12/09/2019 20:00

The outcome is evil but Hunt just isn't clever enough to have foreseen the impact on women, gay rights, children's health etc.

Plenty of people spelled it out to her before, during and after the mess she created.

ChattyLion · 12/09/2019 20:10

This is a great article. Great job from the headline writers too: ‘Can you imagine a lobbyist against women’s rights being made a peer?’

  • making the point that Stonewall and Hunt are misogynistic and professional lobbyists.

I took ‘welcome to politics’ at the end to mean, now Hunt is in actual political life, the #nodebate stuff is not going to cut it in the Lords. Which is true.

Needmoresleep · 12/09/2019 22:15

I think the damage is greater than issues discussed on this board.

DH tells me this week is intersectionality week. Roll out the rainbow lanyards (again). Have some white man cheerlead for specialness, apparently his 'lesbian' sister is in a relationship with a transwoman. The organisation, like many many others no longer seems to care why women from some ethnic groups seem to hit a career ceiling at relatively low levels, whether outsourced cleaners are paid minimum wage, whether there is sufficient disability support, or indeed whether merit is rewarded. A certain sort of special, the Stonewall sort, is the priority.

Ditto for young people. Young women seem far more aware of the dangers of date rape, or of 'creepy' guys who have watched too much porn than we were. The druggie element at college seems more druggy, gay social life seems wilder, anxiety and depression more prevalent, suicide more commonplace, and employment prospects bleaker. Yet, ta dah, DDs student peers will be getting gender neutral toilets. Because, as we know, the Stonewall special, are more special.

Beyond competing rights, thete is opportunity cost. For every Pips Bunce mentoring his board on trans-rights is a chance missed to promote equality for groups who need it. Every gender neutral toilet at University is money not spent on disability access, or on general student welfare or on supporting students on contextual offers.

Ruth Hunt will probably not understand. She was simply 'doing her job'. She is not the sort of person we want in the Lords, pushing for a successful meritocratic and caring society.

JanesKettle · 12/09/2019 22:37

Great post, Needmoresleep

MoleSmokes · 13/09/2019 20:17

I cannot believe that Teresa May thought this up by herself. Who suggested Hunt's name to her? My money is on a:gender - are the the same as the Civil Service LGBTQWERTYOPS Advisory Committee?

Popchyk · 13/09/2019 21:02

"Don't get me wrong, I don't think she's particularly nice, but what's happened here is that the Head Girl has been used by smarter and crueller minds to achieve an aim".

I think that's exactly what happened.

Five years ago, Hunt thought she'd be able to use the small group of meek and mild transsexuals (who hitherto had made few demands) to increase income and become the next big civil rights movement for Stonewall.

She didn't realise that the sexual fetishists and paedophiles are huge in number by comparison and have hijacked the trans movement for their own ends. And by the time even she realised, it was too late. She'd boxed herself into a corner, lumbered with Stonewall's new position that same-sex attraction is transphobic. And therefore wrong.

She actually thought that she was being clever. And had her head turned by the "sooo amaazing babes" never-ending awards ceremonies.

Naive and unquestioning, she got played. Pure and simple.

I actually think she realises it now. And that's why she resigned.

And she also knows that the trans industry is a bomb waiting to go off. And she's getting herself out of the way in order to save herself.

Backintheclosit123 · 13/09/2019 23:39

*I actually think she realises it now. And that's why she resigned.

And she also knows that the trans industry is a bomb waiting to go off. And she's getting herself out of the way in order to save herself*

I did think this, but by her accepting the peerage I don't anymore.