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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC: Trans and pregnant: How one man gave birth to his own baby

69 replies

Kazooboohoo · 08/09/2019 20:39

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-49596060/trans-and-pregnant-how-one-man-gave-birth-to-his-own-baby

"Freddy decided to carry his own baby after wanting to start a family, but he faced a highly unusual challenge – he is a gay transgender man."

Or, Freddy is a straight woman, with XX chromsomes, a vagina, a womb, all the things that are instrinsic to being a woman, all the things that are intrinsic to being able to give birth.

I'm not so much fussed by a trans man in his delusions saying "I am a man and I gave birth" (thereby being the first in 200,000 years of homo sapiens) as I am by the BBC pushing yet another trans story on their front page seemingly every day.

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hoopdaloo · 09/09/2019 12:56

I wish I hadn't watched that.

OldCrone · 09/09/2019 13:04

I'd put money on that baby being raised by the grandparents primarily in no time at all.

From the clip on the BBC website it looks as though the baby's grandmother is already very involved, and has been from before he was born.

Bottledate · 09/09/2019 13:55

@June2007 Dorian from Glastonbury in the BBC's Sex Map of Britain. They could have been just a 'normal' lesbian couple except for this insistence they were both actually men. I'd like to know if all is still well with them.

The pregnant one was delaying hormone therapy in order to have a baby but was supposedly so repulsed by her female body and I couldn't get my head round it really - I can't with any of these 'pregnant man' stories because having a baby is fundamentally something that defines them as not a man.

Redshoeblueshoe · 09/09/2019 22:12

Freddy is supposed to be on Sky News now, saying how hard it is for trans families.
I'll update if they get round to him.

Redshoeblueshoe · 09/09/2019 22:27

I'm not going to bore you with the details
But it's all me me me

DuMondeB · 10/09/2019 13:57

Heterosexual woman gives birth. It’s a blarrrdy miracle

I don’t need to post on here anymore. The anti-wang baton is in very safe hands!

...................

‘Be More Nana’

(Or Be More Magdalen’ if you are too young and cool to be a nana)

Juells · 10/09/2019 14:16

Do women not give birth to their own babies then? That seems to be the implication, that 'giving birth to your own baby' is somehow astounding, wonderful, and deserving of headlines.

HJWT · 11/09/2019 07:28

Iv just watched this, it makes me want to go back in time and start again.

Or hide under my f..king blanket and never go outside again 😂😂😂

TheClitterati · 11/09/2019 07:34

Woman gives birth

MrGHardy · 11/09/2019 12:26

BBC casually normalizing 'men' giving birth. Shitstain of an organization.

TheGoddessFrigg · 11/09/2019 12:32

We live in a time where we no longer ‘expect’ women to have kids

Yes yes but...... YOU ARE A WOMAN WHO HAS HAD A BABY Angry. Sure there's a bit of facial hair and she's had her breasts amputated but she has done the most FEMALE thing you can do Confused

viques · 11/09/2019 13:19

What a sad walking ego Freddie is, I was prepared to feel slightly sorry for him because his issues probably go much deeper than his feelings about his body - he appears to think the whole world has ganged up on him personally and obviously has problems with his relationship with his father, but in the end I just felt irritated by him. Yes, his situation is difficult, but he seems to almost go out of his way to make life more difficult for himself instead of working with and using the many advantages he has, supportive family, supportive work, a flexible job, being both educated and articulate, living in a country with a supportive health system.

As someone up thread said it is all me me me.

Doesn't want to go into work as people will talk about him , but prepared to make a film.

Moaning about the cost of the clinic and sperm, (which sounded quite reasonable compared to the thousands other people are prepared to pay for IVF, adoption,surrogacy etc)

Was prepared at one point to choose a black donor but didn't seem to think of the additional issues this would raise for his mixed race child being brought up in one of the whitest demographic areas of the country.

Getting upset at the pronoun and noun choices in NHS information aimed at pregnant women.

Unlike his mother I don't think he is brave, I think he is selfish.

Antibles · 11/09/2019 15:19

Does the BBC have a higher than average number of trans employees and might that have anything to do with this being commissioned I wonder.

I am utterly embarrassed for the organisation that they can air such anti-scientific stuff with a straight face. But it doesn't surprise me. It's like an episode of Brass Eye.

We must all admire the emperor's new baby.

steeples · 11/09/2019 15:32

I think it's wonderful that man can give birth now its 2019 anything can happen, I do wonder which ward the father will end up on

TheDogsMother · 11/09/2019 17:03

I read a quick review of this programme and thought surely this is a female having a baby. Albeit a female now identifying as a man. An actual male having an actual baby, now that would be TV ! Call me unenlightened but I opted to catch up with Bake Off instead Grin

NotTonightJosepheen · 11/09/2019 17:54

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Perunatop · 12/09/2019 09:07

I found the film fascinating, despite sharing many of the reservations in other posts. I thought Freddie came across as a decent human being, if rather naiive. It is worth watching the film (on i player) to get a better understanding of what being trans means to the individuals concerned.

ChattyLion · 12/09/2019 17:16

Freddie from this film is being quoted in HuffPo, calling for better information about how people who take T can still recover their fertility - says that the current poor advice is ‘de facto sterilisation’ for trans people.

Obviously it goes without saying that doctors being able to offer the latest information and advice is key for patients to make informed consent about any treatment that could compromise or destroy their fertility.. (so yes I would agree there)

But why isn’t Freddie, Mermaids and others arguing for proper research so that there is a proper evidence base to inform people on effects of cross-sex hormones?

Tyrotoxicity · 12/09/2019 17:16

“It’s not ‘gender’ that’s a problem – but gender stereotypes. I think toxic masculinity and the pressure to ‘be a man’ are really damaging. We are doing boys and men a huge disservice.”

Thank you whoever highlighted this bit.

Oh, Freddy. You're so close. You're doing brilliantly. There's just one tiny little thing you still need to do.

Flip it around, and fill in the gaps.

It’s not sex that’s a problem – but sex stereotypes. I think toxic femininity and the pressure to ‘be a woman’ are really damaging. We are doing girls and women a huge disservice.

Put your focus back on women for a moment, Freddy, instead of focusing on men, and you might start to understand what the rest of us are all getting so wound up about.

Force yourself to look at what your brain is trying to hide from you.

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