BBC: Trans and pregnant: How one man gave birth to his own baby

[Kazooboohoo]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-49596060/trans-and-pregnant-how-one-man-gave-birth-to-his-own-baby

"Freddy decided to carry his own baby after wanting to start a family, but he faced a highly unusual challenge – he is a gay transgender man."

Or, Freddy is a straight woman, with XX chromsomes, a vagina, a womb, all the things that are instrinsic to being a woman, all the things that are intrinsic to being able to give birth.

I'm not so much fussed by a trans man in his delusions saying "I am a man and I gave birth" (thereby being the first in 200,000 years of homo sapiens) as I am by the BBC pushing yet another trans story on their front page seemingly every day.

Another one 2 lesbians I think they were both on the trans journey but very early on. (Very much women.) 1 pregnant and bf but no they insisted on calling it chest feeding. (Mighgt have been chanel 4.).

Why does Freddy think want to be a man? Freddy wanted a baby and conceived using donor sperm, showing that Freddy doesn't have gender dysphoria in the classic sense of hatred of Freddy's female body - surely someone with that sort of gender dysphoria would be totally unable to go through with pregnancy and birth.

Freddy identifies as a gay man, but is much less likely to find a life partner following transition. What is the benefit to Freddy of identifying as a transman rather than as a gender-non-conforming woman?

And after seeing this quote from Freddy, I understand even less why Freddy has transitioned. Freddy thinks that gender stereotypes are a problem, yet has embraced them so fully that Freddy has radically changed his body to fit them.

“It’s not ‘gender’ that’s a problem – but gender stereotypes. I think toxic masculinity and the pressure to ‘be a man’ are really damaging. We are doing boys and men a huge disservice. We live in a time where we no longer ‘expect’ women to have kids, and we should be steering away from binary arguments, too. We should stop focusing on outdated ideas of what ‘women’ should do and what ‘men’ should do, and assuming that women ‘naturally’ want to do most of the caregiving. We’re just humans, raising children.”

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/7-things-a-seahorse-trans-dad-wants-you-to-know-about-parenting_uk_5d70e0cae4b09bbc9efa422f

Wow. TM checks their uterine privilege and has baby anyway.

Sigh.

It's the denial of actual biology, that is so incorrect.

Who was pregnant with this child? Who birthed this baby?

I'm pretty sure it was a woman.

we live in a time when we no longer expect women to have kids

I don't know about the rest of the world but I'm not taking out shares in gooseberry bushes and storks just yet......

Yes I get annoyed, but should really just roll my eyes about the man who give birth to child as if the world has suddenly made some huge scientific breakthrough or development rather than the more mundane explanation. We’re not talking about that shite Arnold Schwarzenegger movie called Junior now are we. Should be phrased woman gives birth to child

we live in a time when we no longer expect women to have kids

But still, we know they're the only sex which can.
Which is a different thing entirely from who can do the caregiving (other than breastfeeding).

I want to know if Freddie has managed to find a gay man who is interested in having a relationship with someone who is essentially a woman from the waist down.

I've seen the film and Freddie never mentions any gay boyfriend or partner or even friend. There are various social events where Freddie gets support from F's friends or F's mother's friends—not a gay man to be seen.

F has a brief relationship with another transman (who plans to be the other parent, but then leaves), but it's not clear whether there is any sexual or romantic aspect to this relationship.

oh golly what a miracle yawn

@june2007 I remember this, it was BBC3 and they were both really angry that neither could be listed as the father on the BC.

I remember them talking about the system and it changing and one saying "it had better change", like it was a demand.

They were both into 'cosplay' and used terms like chest feeding throughout.

The public ain't buying this. I was working last night and saw this during my break. Mentioned it to my colleagues who all thought it was nonsense. One (male) pointed out that if they have gender dysphoria so bad how can they use their female body to do the most female thing? The Beeb is woke as fuck but the general public isn't.

I'm sure I read somewhere Freddie used donor sperm. Did Freddie lose their case for being named as father?

That's reassuring Failing and it felt pretty female to me when I was pregnant. I'm not sure what's happening with the case, latest news links I can find at mid July, I thought the decision was due by end of July. It's gone awfully quiet considering anonymity was lifted, I can't see any reason the why the media are not covering this.

Surely the point of this documentary is that Freddie is a trans man, not a man? It’s entirely about them being trans. The thing that makes the story potentially of interest to documentary viewers would NOT be that Freddie has somehow performed a biological miracle. Instead I imagine the narrative is around their gender identity / dysphoria and how the decision to get pregnant and give birth affected that.

So, in short, a title of something like ‘The transman who chose to give birth’ would be far more accurate.

I think toxic masculinity and the pressure to ‘be a man’ are really damaging.

So I succumbed to that pressure in the most extreme way possible despite not being male.

We are doing boys and men a huge disservice.

By pretending we can be them.

We live in a time where we no longer ‘expect’ women to have kids

Speak for yourself, Freddy. For all our many failings I'm quite fond of the human race so yes, I do expect women to have babies. Not all women, but enough to continue the species. It's not like men can do the job, and fortunately for me a majority of women do still want to have families.

Heterosexual woman gives birth. It’s a blarrrdy miracle.

Has the other thread been pulled? Because the nasty ladies were being mean and speaking the truth or some other reason.

Woman gives birth

It’s very newsworthy

It's been pulled but I don't know what the deletion message was because the link isn't working - perhaps @hebemumsnet can enlighten us.

I'm sorry if I contributed to it going but I stand by what I said (albeit in slightly less inflammatory language).

When the anonymity order was lifted, McConnell said 'Protecting my child has always been and will always be my number one priority.'

I don't think that is true. I think publicly recording your child's birth and then spending thousands of pounds and hours of your time fighting to get your name moved from mother to father on your child's birth certificate has nothing to do with protecting your child.

I don't think McConnell has given much thought to the rights of their child - they are consumed with protecting their own rights.

Yes I think you are absolutely right there Orchid.

I'm quite fond of the human race so yes, I do expect women to have babies. Not all women, but enough to continue the species.

I took Freddy's comment to mean that there is no longer an expectation that women should have children. I am glad that I live in a time and place where I had the choice whether or not to have children. I wouldn't want to go back to a time when women were expected to have children.

Freddie clearly has no idea how deeply sexist toddlers are. That's going to be a shock. I'd put money on that baby being raised by the grandparents primarily in no time at all.

Woman gives birth.

Indeed. All the attempts to obscure this biological fact by calling women men and men women won't change reality.