Dominic Grieve is GC

[Slightaggrandising]

In light of his declaration that he may run as an independent candidate. Just wanted to confirm that I met with him and he thinks he whole agenda is rubbish. He gave his team a hard time right in front of me for not thinking about the topic before going off a party line to me. Was refreshing.

Very good to hear

Really pleased to hear Dominic Grieve is as sensible on this as he is on other matters.

If we had a houseful of Dominic Grieves we'd be in a much better place.

(Please note, Dominic Grieves need not be Tories, just thoughtful, honourable people)

Well done Dominic. Now please speak out about it, what do you have to lose?

Please note, Dominic Grieves need not be Tories, just thoughtful, honourable people

I think anyone who is a DG under this Prime Minister is no longer welcome in the Tory party.

And this highlights the problem - they all think it's a load of rubbish and understand the risks to women and children. Yet none of them dare speak out. I know the civil service have been captured to a ludicrous level so presumably they are able to exercise an influence way beyond their pay grade?

I don't believe any Tories are GC. Just thinking transgenderism is nonsense doesn't make you GC.

I'm pleased to read your OP.
Dominic Grieve has always seemed to come across as an actual decent politician.

Good to hear this OP. Let's hope he speaks publically on this. Him and other MPs who feel the same way.

I had a long chat with my Labour MP on the doorstep recently, as she was knocking doors in the area. She fully understood the gender vs sex issue and that a lot of public sector guidance was misrepresenting the EqA2010. She understands the problems for women’s sex-based rights. She said the Labour policy statements on the GRA and TWAW were not properly discussed in the party before the announcement, including a failure to consult the party’s women’s officers. She said there were lots of concerned MPs across the parties who understand the conflict of the GRA reforms with other protected groups’ rights but no-one’s talking about it because its so toxic and they don’t want the abuse. She also said I shouldn’t worry because there was zero chance the Tories would enact the reforms. I told her that, as things stand, every party bar UKIP has publicly supported the reforms, that many women (and men) are angry about this issue and the party’s current stance will lose it votes at the next election. I also said public sentiment on this issue is turning/hardening, particularly because of the sports issue. I said it was time for GC MPs to show some backbone on this issue and show support for their brave colleagues like Joanna Cherry who have spoken up. It was a very good discussion and I feel more comfortable voting for her, having discussed this with her.

MPs really need to start debating the GRA reforns properly.

I’m not going to out her on here because of the monitors by the way, so don’t bother asking.

He's the MP for a neighbouring constituency and has always come across as rational and humane, unlike the puppet representing here .

She also said I shouldn’t worry because there was zero chance the Tories would enact the reforms.

Not good enough, because there's every chance her Labour colleagues, possibly in league with the LibDems and the SNP, will gladly enact the reforms given half a chance. In fact, I could see it being one of the issues should a coalition be necessary.

She said there were lots of concerned MPs across the parties who understand the conflict of the GRA reforms with other protected groups’ rights but no-one’s talking about it because its so toxic and they don’t want the abuse. She also said I shouldn’t worry because there was zero chance the Tories would enact the reforms.

If she as a Labour MP doesn't have the courage to oppose this stuff when it's being pushed by the Conservatives, how is she going to stand up against her own party, if Labour wins the next GE and picks up the self-id baton as promised by Corbyn?

Not good enough, because there's every chance her Labour colleagues, possibly in league with the LibDems and the SNP, will gladly enact the reforms given half a chance.

Quite.

Not good enough, because there's every chance her Labour colleagues, possibly in league with the LibDems and the SNP, will gladly enact the reforms given half a chance. In fact, I could see it being one of the issues should a coalition be necessary

The fact part of Labour are trying to deselecting MPs like Diana Johnson, to get one of their own in, will make it even harder for Labour MPs to discuss this in the future.

I don't believe any Tories are GC

Why? Do you think the left has a monopoly on caring about women's rights? Because all the evidence suggests otherwise. The Tories do at least seem to have woken up to the downsides of Maria Miller's proposals. If Labour, the Greens or the Lib Dems were in power, self-ID would already be law.

I'm left-leaning myself but it is shooting ourselves in the foot to alienate potential allies from the rational, socially liberal Right. Having read the Guardian all my adult life, I have switched to the Times because of their willingness to challenge the self-ID orthodoxy. The readers, many of whom are presumably Tory supporters (given the Times' political stance), are about 99% GC.

'No tories are GC'

Try looking up David TC Davies.

Hosted an event in Parliament to discuss gender. Got masses of abuse for it. He's a Tory.

I don't believe any Tories are GC

I am. And so are my Tory-voting friends.

Try looking up David TC Davies.

He's not GC. His views would align with GC feminists on very little. The reason he has supported them is:

1. He recognises that Genderism is harmful.
2. He supports free speech.
3. He has the courage of his convictions; coz, boy, he got some shit for it.
4. He listened to women, who were not natural allies, when no one else would.

That said, I'm sure some Tory members are GC, it's just that they tend to skew towards gender determinist.

Surely David TC Davies is GC, but is not a feminist? Which is ok - I'll take his stance any day over all the woke bros who Instagram themselves wearing "This is what a feminist looks like" T shirts, but who can't see the problem with putting rapists in women's prisons

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You don't need to be a feminist to be gender critical.

You said it yourself in your own list, point number one.
He's critical of gender ideology.

No real Tory is GC
No Tory member I have ever met believes the likes of Aimee Challenor, Bruce Jenner, Sarah Brown are women. They are men.

Have I understood what GC means, i thought it meant gender critical?

The Tory MP where I live was recently deselected because of criminal activity relating to his expenses. There was a by election, I was contacted by many Lib Dem activists, over and over again.i told them that I'll never vote for a party that isn't able to recognise the definition of a woman. They were surprised. One called to my door and I engaged him in conversation of a Gender Critical nature. I mentioned that I would not vote for a party that endorsed Sarah Brown on Twitter and would never support a party that supported Aimee Challenor. He'd not heard of either of these people. I told him to just google Aimee and Sarah Brown. He very proudly told me that his niece was in the process of becoming his nephew. I then told him that as a 50 something man, he should realise that Human beings cannot change Sex. The successful candidate was the Lib Dem, I'll find out soon enough if she is as woke as her minions

What was the common sense Tory argument for streamlining the process for men to 'become women' on their say-so, Kazoo? Was is

1. listening to lobbyists
2. thinking that women's rights are a bit airy-fairy?

I'm open to other suggestions, but those two seem to be the main reasons why we are where we are today.