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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rebekah Robertson - the Australian Susie Green

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testing987654321 · 07/09/2019 07:35

She got her son on puberty blockers as an early teen. She runs a support group for families with trans children.

Why do others allow such life-changing medication for children? Here is another young person whose brain and sexual function has not been allowed to develop to adulthood.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/07/it-takes-a-lot-of-courage-rebekah-robertson-on-raising-transgender-activist-georgie-stone?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

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testing987654321 · 07/09/2019 07:36

Oh and no, Guardian, I am not going to pay for unquestioning drivel.

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OldCrone · 07/09/2019 08:43

The resolve this required did not come without cost to the family. Harry’s needs were lost in the economisation of time and the interrogation of Georgie’s identity and family left its mark on her too.

I'd like to know more about the effect on Harry (Georgie's brother) of his twin brother becoming his sister. They say his 'needs were lost', so was he neglected and ignored? That sounds like cruelty to him as well as his confused sibling (although it might have been their mother who was confused by a boy who she thought wasn't showing masculine enough behaviour).

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/09/2019 08:47

I'm sorry, I was doing some googling, and this came up so I had to share...

"The first words in a child’s life are simple.

It’s usually a single word; easy to say; and probably mispronounced.

This wasn’t the case, however, for Georgie Stone.

Her first words were “Mum, I want a vagina.”"

www.mamamia.com.au/georgie-stone-transgender-teen/

testing987654321 · 07/09/2019 08:49

That short article raises so many questions, doesn't it?

I am also interested in campaigning to have family courts excluded from decisions about transgender children. It's such a remarkable claim, that your child is the wrong sex, and requires life-changing surgery apparently, it should be checked and double-checked.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/09/2019 08:50

According to

www.mercatornet.com/mobile/view/inspirational-transgender-lives-what-ever-happened-to-healthy-scepticism

Greg and Bec, both actors, were older parents when they married in 1999. They were rattled by the arrival of twins. They spent so much time supporting the transgender twin that they neglected Harry. He lamented in the program that he fell into a deep depression "for quite a few years" – and he is still only 16.

testing987654321 · 07/09/2019 08:51

Her first words were “Mum, I want a vagina.”

And my first words were "I'd like some avocado please".

What absolute nonsense.

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OldCrone · 07/09/2019 08:58

"Around about two [years old], I could see a different way of expressing themselves between Georgie and Harry," Rebekah, Georgie's Mum told Mia Freedman.

They were given the same toys, but interpreted them in different ways: Buzz Lightyear became Miranova - the female space ranger; Tonka Trucks took on female characteristics and carried Barbies.

Is it still the 1950s in Australia?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/09/2019 09:00

This story seems common to so many transitioning children. I cannot help wondering how much of it is a rewriting of history to bolster up such a huge decision about their child's life.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 07/09/2019 09:03

Her first words were “Mum, I want a vagina.”

Bullshit.

Why certain newspapers fawn over obvious lies is beyond me.

My son's first word was 'dinner', which he pronounced more like 'din-AH'. It is unusual for a first word to be of the two syllable variety, a whole sentence including a word that a year to 18 month old boy has quite likely never heard? Aye right.

HandsOffMyRights · 07/09/2019 09:11

Another Susie Green.

These mothers and their offspring certainly seem to be spending lots of time in the limelight too, with TV shows and media appearances.

Robertson did not experience grief in this way. For her there was total consistency with who Georgie was, there was no “change from one thing to another” in her mind. After giving birth to twins in 2000, both of whom were assigned male, in contrast to her brother Harry, Georgie’s female identity became apparent very early on. This was expressed in both her relationship to her body and her interests. From Buzz Lightyear to toy trucks, “[Georgie] feminised everything” and Robertson found herself bracing for the judgment of others.

Where do I begin?
'Assigned male at birth'
'Feminised everything'
'Judgement of others'

This really is 'Butterfly - the sequel.'

Backintheclosit123 · 07/09/2019 09:12

Her first words were “Mum, I want a vagina..

IM FUCKEN RAGING. IN CAPITALS.

For fuck fucken sake.

Witch hunts? Meh Hold my beer.

S1naidSucks · 07/09/2019 09:16

Both those poor children were abused, by the forced transition of this poor child. The only consolation for the poor neglected twin is that he has escaped without the physical abuse inflicted on his poor sibling. I fucking hate the fact that I’ll be deleted for correctly sexing both children.

Backintheclosit123 · 07/09/2019 09:18

There is an extraordinarily hard moment where a very young Georgie is forced to use the boys’ bathroom at the swimming pool and Robertson waits for her outside the door, to the sounds of her child’s trauma: “When I recall this moment,” she writes, “I think about how hard it is to dress wet skin quickly.”

Um alot of kids that age tantrum over this kind of thing...

LizzieSiddal · 07/09/2019 09:26

Her first words were “Mum, I want a vagina.”"

Any parent stating phrases such as this, should be immediately investigated by SS, instead they are believed.

Beamur · 07/09/2019 09:31

If those first words are being accurately reported - wtf. Language and understanding of words just does not happen like that! It must be some kind of slightly off colour joke, surely?

testing987654321 · 07/09/2019 09:31

My friend's son played in a very "girly" way, we just laughed and assumed he'd probably grow up to be gay as he was so camp. None of this conversation was mentioned to him, he was just allowed to grow up however he wanted.

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JoyceJeffries · 07/09/2019 09:35

Well the whole “mum, I want a vagina” is clearly a lie.
Now let’s assume she’s not lying about her baby/toddler wanting to play with toys that are traditionally seen as girls toys. Why do they always jump to the trans conclusion? It’s such a massive (and frankly deranged) leap to make?

OldCrone · 07/09/2019 09:40

Georgie’s gender dysphoria initially caused conflict between the parents, with Greg wondering if Bec had been encouraging it.

If he thought his wife was driving Georgie's 'condition', why did he go along with it?

StrangeLookingParasite · 07/09/2019 09:41

Is it still the 1950s in Australia?

Not quite, but the macho culture is very strong. The male gender roles on offer are pretty limited.

Backintheclosit123 · 07/09/2019 09:43

Munchausens by proxy 🤷‍♀️

OldCrone · 07/09/2019 09:43

Why do they always jump to the trans conclusion?

Homophobia. They've heard that feminine boys often grow up to be gay.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/09/2019 09:44

If he thought his wife was driving Georgie's 'condition', why did he go along with it?

They divorced three years ago

Datun · 07/09/2019 09:48

It's society generally, and commercially aware toy manufacturers specifically, who make toys feminine and masculine.

Dolls like buzz light-year, Woody, action man, are male dolls. Barbies are female dolls. Why wouldn't child play with both? Why wouldn't a child interchange them if they are given only one type? They are living in a world with both men and women, for goodness sake. It's completely natural.

When my son was small, he had a toy kitchen. One (old fashioned) family member expressed surprise until another family member pointed out that guess what, he would actually use a kitchen when he was grown up! And a hoover. And an ironing board if he likes flat clothes.

When two people simultaneously but separately consider a toy feminine and gender neutral, it's fairly obvious that the entire thing is imposed. By people's attitudes. Not an innate sense of preference.

When I read these experiences, it just screams off the page to me how sexist the parents are.

HandsOffMyRights · 07/09/2019 09:56

*On an afternoon like any other in the Green household 11 years ago, Susie and her four-year-old son Jack were snuggled up together on the sofa watching a Disney film.

Then Jack turned to his mum and said: “Mummy, God’s made a mistake and I should have been a girl.”

Susie was terrified. She knew she had a very effeminate son, who liked girlie things, such as the Little Mermaid film they were watching.

Yes, she thought it likely he was gay, but never dreamed her little boy would want to be a little girl.*

You are spot on Old Crone.There is a fear.

A boy playing with 'girls toys' or watching 'girlie things' like the Little Mermaid? Must be gay. Or trans (whatever that means)? FFS!

Note the word 'terrified' too.

My son loved 'girlie things' aged 4. He wore princess dresses. I didn't assume he was gay. I wasn't "terrified". Neither was school. Nobody batted an eyelid. It was irrelevant.

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