Rebekah Robertson - the Australian Susie Green

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She got her son on puberty blockers as an early teen. She runs a support group for families with trans children.

Why do others allow such life-changing medication for children? Here is another young person whose brain and sexual function has not been allowed to develop to adulthood.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/07/it-takes-a-lot-of-courage-rebekah-robertson-on-raising-transgender-activist-georgie-stone?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Its blatant internalised homophobia.....no child needs puberty blockers & medical intervention on an otherwise healthy body-insanity.

The most enlightening bit of Susie Greens narrative, to me, was when she said '...so of course I took him to the doctor'. Because he wanted dolls. It was the blind assumption that everyone would empathise. Absolutely everyone would agree, because what other reaction is possible?

And it was fear. She took every last one of his toys out of the house. She said that, in public, in a TEDTalk. How bloody traumatic for a child who comes home to find all their toys have been taken away.

I lost a stuffed hamster when I was a kid, and have never forgotten about it. And it wasn't even a favourite toy, D-list at best.

What kid wouldn't conform to what ever persona would be necessary in order to regain that security.

They divorced three years ago

They split up 6 years ago (the article that mentions 3 years is from 2016). Georgie was put on puberty blockers aged 10, which is 9 years ago. Why did Georgie's father go along with his wife's MBP, delusion, abuse, or whatever you want to call it, for 3 years? Perhaps he did try to stop it, but I'd like to hear his side of the story.

Did he make any real attempt to stop his wife harming their children, or did he just go along with it, or participate?

(Do we get deleted for mentioning MBP in this context? I suppose I'll find out soon.)

One (old fashioned) family member expressed surprise until another family member pointed out that guess what, he would actually use a kitchen when he was grown up!

Not only do adults of both sexes use kitchen, and cleaning etc, equipment but a preference in childhood play has no bearing on adult preference.

My son grew up with a toy kitchen, his older sister had it before he was born. She loved it. He never showed the slightest interest.

As an adult my son loves to cook, my daughter lives off take aways, ready meals and begging me to batch cook stuff for her freezer.

Neither of them is homosexual. Their toy preferences did not indicate their adult ones.

Parents who read every behaviour in small children as some sort of indication of adult sexuality do enormous damage.

For her there was total consistency with who Georgie was, there was no “change from one thing to another” in her mind.

If this is true, it looks like a clear admission that the mother had a (false) sense that the child was female from birth.

What is wrong with people? One of my sisters insisted on ‘boys’ clothes, hobbies and toys, was always falling out of trees and getting into fist fights with the lads at school (she always won and it was hilarious when some cross mum rocked up with her lad in tow complain to mum that my diminutive sister had beaten her wean up). She even decided on a boys name for a while (and gave me one too).

Ummmm - a normal girl. But a bit. Didn’t then and doesn’t want to be one now. Had all this nonsense been around then, who the hell knows?

It’s cool, it’s trendy, you become an instant saint and get a tv show/book deal. It’s not a ‘dirty’ little family secret or an embarrassment. It’s become preferable to having a gay kid.

What happened? (Men men men).

But a bit? Not a boy

If this is true, it looks like a clear admission that the mother had a (false) sense that the child was female from birth.

That reminds me of the Stanford Endocrinologist giving a case study of “Ava” (not clear if real case or composite) whose mother instinctively knew when handed a baby boy that the baby was meant to be a girl...

What happened? (Men men men).

Much as I agree with the bloody men sentiment in general, when it comes to the very specific topic of transing children it seems most commonly to be the mother pushing the agenda.

Maybe that is in response to men, but I'm not inclined to let the Susie Green's of this world off the hook.

She’s just your common or garden dimwit. That’s common across both sexed.

Well. She's a big fat sexist liar, isn't she?

Munchausens by proxy

This gets brought up a lot on these threads.

In all seriousness, what are the chances that this is implicated in cases of child transitioning?

According to the NHS www.nhs.uk/conditions/fabricated-or-induced-illness/ this would fit some scenarios of induced illness.

*This gets brought up a lot on these threads.

In all seriousness, what are the chances that this is implicated in cases of child transitioning?*

What are the chances? I think they are high.

High as in, most MBP are women, the mothers, of these very young children who are labeled trans at such a young age.

Lots of other reasons/circumstances but it's a red flag to be aware of.

I read a study a couple of years ago, from the US, which looked at the parents of trans children.

Amongst the parents, there was, apparently, a significant number of women who had good or highflying careers, prior to having children. The theory being that having children deprived them of the kudos they had previously enjoyed.

So making childrearing more special, more significant, more attention grabbing and different to every other mother raising children, became the issue.

What are the chances? I think they are high.

I'd agree the chances of MPB are high.

In particular I find it interesting that the NHS notes some cases of fabricated illness appear to have a profit motive. Unfortunately it's best to never underestimate just how low some humans will go.

So when a mother takes their child to the doctor because they believe they are trans why isn't MBP considered?

Amy Challoner's mother visited the doctor with one or other of her children every week for years.

Amy is not the only child in the family to transition.

It's certainly something that needs looking at. It's the ideal 'illness' for someone MBP.

So when a mother takes their child to the doctor because they believe they are trans why isn't MBP considered?

The same reason that nothing else is considered. Affirmation only.

So when a mother takes their child to the doctor because they believe they are trans why isn't MBP considered?

I'd hazard because most doctors now are super trans Woke. Not being mean, it's the reality afaics.

Also maybe like with the trans stuff, they don't like to cast negative impressions. (Let's all be nice, and kind).

Or as simple as the average doctor has about 10-15 minutes with a patient and the easiest thing to do is to refer on....

Or as simple as the average doctor has about 10-15 minutes with a patient and the easiest thing to do is to refer on....

There was a psychiatrist, or psychologist, (I'm not sure), doing a AMA on here who said they just referred kids on. They didn't have any choice. And they had assumed that the doctors to whom they were referred, would do a thorough assessment. Which they now know they don't, from the Tavistock expose.

As someone who created the first UK-widevdatabase of babies' first words - nope, with a side order of no way.
But parents have notoriously poor memories for their children's abilities when younger.

As someone who created the first UK-widevdatabase of babies' first words

There's a database of first words?

How did I not know this?

And they had assumed that the doctors to whom they were referred, would do a thorough assessment.

Yeah but they are 'Gender Therapists' and such. Sometimes only a 6 month- one year general course, with stars in their eyes and kindness and benevolence abound

Our data is on the UK Data Archive, but there's a lovely browsable database here:
wordbank.stanford.edu/

(Non UK though, but a whole load of interesting languages)