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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Everyday sexism

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nicola18737 · 05/09/2019 07:43

I was shopping for a new car yesterday. I went into Jaguar and was chatting about what I wanted and how I was going to order it today. The salesman said to me "aren't you a bit daunted?". I looked at him quizzically and asked why he'd say that. "Well ladies usually bring someone with them". "Like a man you mean?" I replied. He then backtracked saying he didn't mean any offence and no they usually brought a friend.

I wasn't offended, more amused. He was probably right that women would normally bring someone with them, yet I still felt like he was thinking me a brave little soldier for doing this all on my own.

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MilkGoatee · 07/09/2019 10:00

@FWRLurker
Indeed.

Mumminmum · 08/09/2019 12:30

Yes, it is rather amazing that businesses have still not realized that it costs them money to be twats. I went to buy an expensive camera together with my DH and the salesman hardly talked to me, but when he did he talked down to me. I was not so assertive back then, so didn't say anything, but my DH told the salesman we would think about it and we then bought the camera from another shop.

StopThePlanet · 08/09/2019 20:13

Disclaimer: I am aware that while strong I am much smaller than most men and that due to bilateral TMJ surgery two years ago one punch in the face could literally destroy my quality of life. To clarify, as a result of past injury I can't bite into an apple or each anything really hard requiring great force - my jaw is fragile and held together by muscles taken from my temples to create the padding in the joints. I can kick, I can scream, but one hard punch to the face and my jaw would likely shatter as glass hitting concrete. Four years ago I would have told this man to get the fuck back but now my face is fragile - I like my face, and I very much like being able to chew, smile, laugh, make funny faces, and all of the other things having an intact jaw affords a person.

So yesterday on our way to a luau party, we stopped at a gas station that we frequent. DH pumped gas while I ran in to use the ATM and purchase a beverage for the longish drive.

I was dressed in a comfy yet fitted outfit - long tropical looking skirt, a tank top, ponytail, and lace up wedge sandals. (Shared only to create an image.)

Standing at the ATM (already unnerving considering the ATM while in plain sight of the people looking in the windows is isolated and tightly contained) a man a foot taller than me at more than 3x my weight approached me from behind loudly squealing about my outfit and hair.

He complimented me profusely to which I was pleasant and gracious (he was saying he needed my outfit supersized for him). However, I laugh when feeling nervous or threatened - it is a sad weird sound that conveys desperation attached to fight/flight. DH heard this odd laugh - he knows what it means... he stopped pumping gas and started towards the store. He watched me through the window - trying to decide if he should intervene. He could tell I was uneasy but appreciates that I like to fight my own battles so he watched... waiting to help if I needed it.

While very uncomfortable - you see this man had trapped me in the corner (my back to a cooler blocking backward retreat, ATM in front of me in the corner, and this huge man blocking my only path to escape) with my debit card in the ATM waiting for cash to be dispensed. I couldn't see around him or above him. But he had a friend with him as well - just as tall but not as large who stood closely to his side further blocking me.

He hunched over and casually reached out and laid his incredibly sweaty arm/armpit) about my shoulders and attempted to force me to hug him. When I said please respect my personal space he went on to tell me how I shouldn't be frightened or rude - that we're both "just girls". He then asked my name and where I live. I smiled, told him that I am a woman not a girl, and asked him to please move. He continued to spout a barrage of compliments at me. It was like a very weird take on up close catcalling.

As DH walked through the door to do his cursory "everything okay honey?" call out the man retreated and let me pass to the checkout counter. DH retreated to pumping gas satisfied that I looked comfortable enough again.

As the man walked out and past my DH he was still talking about me to his friend. He said mostly complimentary things as he passed but laughed openly and gregariously at my discomfort.

Why is it funny to back a woman into a corner and touch her? It is a violation regardless of what body parts are touched, it is illegal imprisonment with unwanted touching.

I could not get that man's scent off my skin even after slathering my shoulders in hand sanitizer, it took a very hot shower to remove his oil/sweat from my body.

How is it that someone claiming to be a "girl" just like me would delight so in making me uneasy and celebrate my vulnerability? Because my sex is a costume, a feeling? Well it fucking isn't I am full human and deserve to be treated with dignity and seen as such.

LittleMy20 · 08/09/2019 20:17

Being asked if I wanted to show my “hubby” the plans for the garden by landscapers. Asked this twice. I’m separated. Not hiring those guys.

DinosaurFineosaur · 10/09/2019 10:15

Re the post about having a male secretary, I'm just starting to experience this now. I have held a senior position in my organisation for 4 years and until recently my team have all been female. I've just had to replace someone and hired a bloke - this is for a fairly junior level position and all of a sudden I've getting questions like "we don;t understand who is running this project now, is it Bob?", Nope it's still me. It is Bob's (not his real name) job to minute one of our strategic-level committees but that seemed to throw everyone in a tizz. Several times during the meeting, it was noted that it wasn't clear to everyone who was taking the minutes and people (men!) started directing action points to me ("are you writing that down, Dinosaur?") and i had to keep reiterating that I was a committee member just like them and that the minutes were being taken by Bob. I actually thought I worked in a really forward thinking organisation but it seems that my male colleagues cannot get their head around the fact that Bob is the new Jane and doing all the duties that Jane did while my role remains unchanged.

Similarly to the car dealership stories, I walked out of John Lewis about 5 years ago and made sure management knew why. I was trying to buy a new laptop and DH, who is decidedly non-techy, was along for the ride. I am a keen photographer and wanted to get something quite high spec that would run various bits of software. The male sales assistant kept guiding me to basic entry level laptops, telling me how easy I would find them, they would do everything for me which would keep me from getting confused. He pointed out the ones that come in pink and kept making "jokes" about me wanting a laptop so that I could look up One Direction fansites.

On the subject of photography, I once took my full DSLR kit to a family event - quite a big bag with various lenses, tripod etc. I was carrying the stuff and I was the one who started putting everything together but DH's uncle could help but repeatedly ask DH all about the camera spec to which DH kept shrugging and saying it had nothing to do with him. The uncle just couldn't be deterred though.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/09/2019 10:38

Maybe they'd take notice if you told them they were being disrespectful to Bob?

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