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Devon Rape Crisis advertising for "self identified' women

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SunsetBeetch · 26/08/2019 21:43

Oh God. Oh fuck this!!!

Are you a self-identified woman?
Are able to commit 3 evenings a month to volunteering?
Are you passionate about gender equality & ending violence?
If you’ve answered yes to all of the above we want to hear from you.
Full details; t.co/wdu0gtsNm5 t.co/HjdfybH1Gd

twitter.com/DevonRapeCrisis/status/1164568521336115200?s=19

This absolute sheroe in the replies though:

You guys really helped me a few years ago. My handle is my real name - I’m sure someone there will remember me and the work we did together in Torquay. My rapist now identifies as a woman and would fucking love this job. He’s still in Devon so it would be a perfect fit.

Devon Rape Crisis advertising for "self identified' women
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Qcng · 27/08/2019 07:57

It's great to see the response mind you. The Tweet has about 25 "Likes" and about 450 replies unanimously condemning the Tweet.

I wonder what'll happen now?
Unfortunately if they do respond it will probably be some sort of wishy washy blah about being "Trans inclusive" and women can fuck off.
I don't think they will respond though!

ChattyLion · 27/08/2019 08:34

Johnny that’s really bad. As is this Devon job ad.

So already local women who have a reasonable expectation of a related woman-only service can’t use it, or are unwittingly exposed to an upsetting experience with it, or are deterred from using that sensitive/intimate service because they don’t bow to a particular political belief?

Sorry, but who the fuck turned health care or social care or counselling (or whatever it is) into a political recruitment exercise? Were the service users consulted about this? The staff? Did the taxpayer sign up fund this? Is it publicised that ‘you may not get a woman caring for you’ at this very sensitive service? Do they tell women on the phone and then again at the reception desk so they can request for a woman to help them instead?

And what kind of decent male-born person wants to work in these services and put women through this experience anyway? Why is that not a massive red flag? Where’s the respect and sensitivity from them for women.. or reality? Women are not there to validate men especially when women are seeking sensitive services. If men need this, seems like they have issues themselves that need sorting out properly.

At least the religiously-run services say what they are on the tin and who they want to help so we know upfront what is going on. They don’t tend to use public money for that either.

Could your GP friend escalate to the local MP and whoever is funding this service, the fact that women now don’t feel able to use it? It’s a scandal.

Nothing to stop trans people fundraising for their own tailored services and there is every reason for them to have those services. I’m sure wealthy megacharities like Stonewall etc would be delighted to help them out with that. Because it’s completely wrong to take away from one group to give to another like this. It’s THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF BEING INCLUSIVE.
Only people on a political or personal mission and the woke dumbfucks that enable them can’t see that fact, or worse, don’t care. Women aren’t in any position to lose our services like this.

placemats · 27/08/2019 08:45

This shit has to stop. It's probably down to funding which is now being used as a tool to blackmail. We see you!

Michelleoftheresistance · 27/08/2019 10:05

Agree with every word Chatty

However the service has been captured by the waaaaah there are boundaries around how far self identification and acceptance of womanhood goes and this is invalidation discrimination.

You cannot justify this utter shit unless you believe the primary purpose of women is to service males as the superior humans, and the primary purpose of a rape victim in accessing a rape crisis service is to provide a validation experience for a male. Male employees have become the primary client group.

And yes, completely, to any male self identifying who was qualified for this job professionally and emotionally and therefore put their clients' needs above their own, and understood the needs of raped women, would not apply for this job.

DuMondeB · 27/08/2019 10:18

He said several of his female patients he's referred end up upset and won't engage with the service

I hope he has fed this back to the organisation - if they won’t listen to traumatised women, they might listen to a male doctor 😡

Sicario · 27/08/2019 10:23

There is a huge AGP porn following of rape fantasy / acting out shit and this is the kind of job those men in dresses would just love. It's sickening, but it's real.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 27/08/2019 10:33

Can they even legally do this? There are exemptions to allow discrimination on the basis of job requirement (normally sex, but can be eg race for acting parts). The exemptions apply to protected characteristics.

Kit19 · 27/08/2019 11:13

The advert has now been changed to “looking for women volunteers” but the idea they even thought the first one was appropriate.....

devonrapecrisis.org.uk/support-us/get-involved

Lookingsparkly · 27/08/2019 11:26

This is awful :-(

HairyPotter · 27/08/2019 11:30

The advert might have been changed but there is still a tick box asking ‘what kind of female you are’

Devon Rape Crisis advertising for "self identified' women
Ameanstreakamilewide · 27/08/2019 11:38

Kit, you're right that it was absurd that it even needed to be done in the first place.

I reckon they've done a complete 360 on this.
I think the first draft correctly specified 'women' and then some dickhead told them it wasn't inclusive.

And now, after that ridiculous ratio, they've changed it back.

Just my tuppence worth, of course...I could just as easily be talking out of my arse! 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm hoping that the Rugby fed stop supping on the Kool-Aid and see sense too.

SlowasaSnail · 27/08/2019 12:08

Isn’t this the Devon shelter that employs the TW that spoke to Parliament (alongside Karen Ingala Smith) and complained to a train company on twitter that they couldn’t access some sex website on the train WiFi?

littlbrowndog · 27/08/2019 12:10

I think it might be

SlowasaSnail · 27/08/2019 12:18

That explains a lot. Their lack of awareness about what is and isn’t appropriate public behaviour really stood out to me at the time. It was well discussed on here.

MissLawls · 27/08/2019 12:26

I used to work as a counsellor and we used the client-centred method, ie you went with the client and wherever they wanted to go. Most counselling services use something similar.

This strikes me as flipping it entirely the other way round whereby it's the counsellor's needs which come first! The client group has to go along with it. Same is true in other services.

If you're client centred you're client centred. The feelings of the counsellor or service provider are not what matter; client/patient needs come first, last, middle and always!

Why is this very simple rule so very hard to for some to understand?

MissLawls · 27/08/2019 12:31

For eg, the service I worked for a black client wondered if we had any black counsellors she could be seen by. We didn't and it spurred us to trying to find black and minority ethnic counsellors in case we got a similar request.

This request was regarded as entirely reasonable and none of the white counsellors objected or felt offended; in fact, the very reverse. We were embarrassed we couldn't offer a black counsellor and we went out to find some. We took advice on how best to do this from similar services - it goes way beyond advertising as I'm sure everyone here knows.

If a client is uncomfortable with a counsellor for whatever reason that's their call and they can ask to see someone else. Counselling is all about what's called "the fit" and some people simply don't gell. And that's fine. Client needs are what matter. They may have been through all kinds of trauma before they rang up or walked through the door. Everything that is humanly possibly to make this easier for them should be done.

The client comes first. Not the counsellor.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 27/08/2019 14:14

If that's where the delightful Diana James volunteers already there is no stopping them now.

James, famous for getting angry they couldn't view sex toys on route to the women's select committee meeting.

Absolutely no red flags here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3593346-DV-Select-Committee-contributor-wants-to-browse-adult-sites-on-train-wifi

FermatsTheorem · 27/08/2019 14:37

Ah, thanks for the confirmation. I immediately wondered if it was the centr where Diana "what's wrong with shopping for sex toys in a public place" James volunteered.

ThePurported · 27/08/2019 17:01

The advert might have been changed but there is still a tick box asking ‘what kind of female you are’

And that's the equal opportunities monitoring form. Why should people whose "gender" is 'trans male to female' have equal opportunities in rape crisis volunteering??
You can tick trans mtf and lesbian. So 'male lesbians' can volunteer for Devon rape crisis? Wonderful.

Dangerfloof · 27/08/2019 17:29

Here here chattylion

I cant believe that no one seems to want to fight for cunty type women from these organisations. Is there arguments in these places as to why its a bad idea to invite self iding women, do the self identifiers just steamroller ahead? I would argue the toss and lose my job if I had to to save women from this woke shite

MissLawls · 27/08/2019 17:59

Does anyone here remember the controversy last year when the BACP issued guidelines on gender? Written by someone who identifies as gender fluid... caused quite a fuss at the time. Not least that northern women aren't typically female! And don't assume a woman is someone who can bear children or has XX chromosomes oh no. Because women is all about the feelz innit!

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/01/counselling-association-guidelines-say-women-nurturing-caring/

FormerMediocreMale · 27/08/2019 20:41

He said several of his female patients he's referred end up upset and won't engage with the service

I hope he has fed this back to the organisation - if they won’t listen to traumatised women, they might listen to a male doctor

MissLawls · 27/08/2019 20:51

An anti fascist account on Twitter which tweeted support for women has taken the tweets down and the social media manager apologised for offending people. By people he/she means TRAs of course.

But that's never enough for the bullies oh no. They are still piling in. Many of them with fewer than 100 followers. So why give in to them? It's very easy to shut notifications down so you don't see the pile ons. I hate bullies but I hate those who appease them too.