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Any stats on transwomen who are agp compared to homosexual

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Qcng · 25/08/2019 21:04

Hi,
Basically there's someone in my life who is gender critical to a point, (thinks it's ridiculous for males to compete against women in sport and is generally conservative when it comes to same sex spaces).

They basically refuse to or can't believe that a "man dressed in women's clothing" could possibly be attracted to women.
He is convinced that all transvestites/transwomen are "gay" - attracted to men.

I have tried to explain that some cross dressers or transwomen are attracted to women, which is a worry for women in same sex spaces like prisons/shelters etc, but he basically thinks I'm making it up! He can't believe it, so it leads to a sort of plateau in his thinking which a lot of men get to, which is
"Well it's only harmless feminine (weak) gay men so what's your problem?"

Anyway.

I've come across this sort of thinking from men rather a lot.

Can any of you help me with concrete statistics wrt basically

The percentage of males who identify as women who are attracted to women
Compared to
The percentage of males who identify as women who are attracted to men?

OP posts:
Datun · 20/09/2019 03:51

Check out stonewalls glossary OP.

Female attracted transwomen are so common, Stonewall has had to redefine the meaning of homosexual and lesbian to accommodate them.

Lesbianism is no longer based on same sex attraction. It's attraction to the female gender, which can be the male sex. Or so the male lesbians inform us.

Transwidow987 · 20/09/2019 15:25

There are trans identifying men online declaring that if lesbians aren't willing to daye them or have sex with them, they are transphobic.
There are Tim's who out up youtube videos about how hateful it is for lesbians to not be attracted to them. Even the ones who still have penises expect lesbians to want to have sex with them and refer to "lady dick". I saw a video in which a man said that if a lesbian has been traumatized sexually by men and that is why she won't date a person with a penis, it's up to her to get therapy to get over that because that is still transphobic. It is utter narcissistic misogynist rapey nonsense.

MoleSmokes · 24/09/2019 00:09

Qcng I was looking for similar stats today.

1. SUMMARY: "Basically we don't know because everyone is using different defintions"

"Prevalence of Transgender Depends on the “Case” Definition: A Systematic Review"
europepmc.org/backend/ptpmcrender.fcgi?accid=PMC4823815&blobtype=pdf

2. SUMMARY: "I'm an HSTS - what the heck! Where did all these AGPs come from???"

"The Invisible Transsexual" (HSTS Transsexual)
www.transkids.us/invisible.html

3. SUMMARY: Here are some sums and this is the answer!

"In recent decades, psychologists have tried to establish an estimate on the prevalence of transvestic fetishism using in-depth interviews with large numbers of participants.

According to them, about2-3 percent of men, and around 1 in 200 women, experience transvestitic fetishism.Stonewall UK now includes “crossdresser” as a full transgender identity. It’s not surprising, given its higher prevalence than transsexuality, that Stonewall would wish to do this — in fact, by including fetishistic transvestites to swell the ranks, Stonewall could achieve the huge jump in trans numbers observed in recent years.

Lynn Conway(who fudge factored the incidence of transsexualism) says that conservative estimates of crossdressing fetishism puts it at a prevalence of 2-5% of men, and notes that about 1 in 20 to 1 in 50 of these men will eventually go on to complete a full transition.

This blog is no stranger to discussingBayesian statistics, in whichprobabilities are not independent of one another but must be regarded in relation to known information. We’re going to look through that lens again, today.

If three percent of men are sexually aroused by crossdressing, and only 1 in 2500 meet the qualifications for classic transsexuality, then only 1.3 percent of the overall MTF “transgender” population is actually transsexual, and 98.7 percent are fetishists.

People noticing that even many FTMs in today’s rapidly exploding FTM population seem motivated by fetishizing gay men in visual novels, anime, or other media are right to notice:if .4 percent of women are sexually aroused by crossdressing, and only about 1 in 10,000 women is transsexual (prevalence figures from last post), only 2.5% of self-identified FTMs are genuinely transsexual.

These figures, of course, assume thatallfetishistic crossdressers / transvestites are holding themselves out as transgender. What if 80 percent of transvestitic fetishists were quite content to occasionally crossdress at home, with no trans identification needed, andonly 20 percent considered their activities to fall under the trans umbrella?
Even then, only 6.5 percent of MTFs, 10 percent of FTMs, would be transsexual, with the rest being fetishists.

We can take it a step further and use Conway’s lower bounded estimate: that 1 in 50 fetishistic crossdressers (2 percent) will eventually take the leap and transition to a full-time cross-sex presentation. Two percent of the 3 percent of males who engage in crossdressing fetishism yields a prevalence of .06%, or about 1 in 1667. But remember, the incidence of transsexuality is only 1 in 2500.

Even if only two percent of male crossdressing fetishists decide to transition, these fetishists will constituteover 60 percentof the overall transgender population, while transsexuals become a minority in their own movement."

Full article: culturallyboundgender.wordpress.com/2018/11/25/what-happened-to-the-transsexual-rights-movement-more-on-percentages-and-prevalence/

MoleSmokes · 24/09/2019 00:41

ps. I forgot Rod Fleming - because I am an evil feminist!

If you can put up with him occasionally foaming at the mouth about feminists (he has got some VERY weird ideas about feminists!) there are some very interesting observations, theories, histories, info on different cultures, etc. on Rod Fleming's web sites.

1) One site is dedicated to all things HSTS:
allabouthsts.com

2) Rod Fleming's website - selected articles

"Travestis and traviesas: in memory of Miriam Rivera"
rodfleming.com/2019/08/21/travestis-traviesas-miriam-rivera/

"Transgender? Sex, Sexuality, Orientation and Gender"
rodfleming.com/2019/06/17/transgender-sex-sexuality-orientation-and-gender/

"Transition desire types: HSTS, AGP, AAP and ROGD"
rodfleming.com/2019/02/13/transition-desires-hsts-agp-rogd/

(If anything needed a "trigger warning", this next one does. It's sort of "anthropological" but still, it might be upsetting. Brief mention of prostitution too.)

"Access to sex, contraception, pederasty and rape"
rodfleming.com/2019/01/29/women-control-access-to-sex/

And finally . . . AGPs - It's all the fault of Feminists! (Of course!)

"Feminism promotes male transgenderism 1"
rodfleming.com/2019/05/14/feminism-transgenderism-1/

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