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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transgender policies could alter after hormone research The Times 23 Aug 2019

35 replies

AnotherNightWatering · 23/08/2019 17:26

"Rugby and other sports may have to reassess their policies on transgender players after evidence has emerged that muscle strength stays relatively high after hormone treatment, according to a scientific consultant for World Rugby."

I still can't get a share token! But the story's here...
www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/transgender-policies-could-alter-after-hormone-research-hwbkb9wzd

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FermatsTheorem · 23/08/2019 17:29

Fingers crossed. Push people, push.

Need to get composing that letter to the English RFU I talked about. Must be calm, evidence-based, but blistering!

Pota2 · 23/08/2019 17:38

Good.

BettyFilous · 23/08/2019 17:42

At nearly 6ft she stands out among her team-mates, and club captain Jessica Minty-Madley recounts a time she folded an opponent "like a deckchair".
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49298550

The rugby unions need to act fast before female players are paralysed or killed on the field. This is not acceptable.

AnotherNightWatering · 23/08/2019 17:55

I feel that bbc article is almost a kind of spoof! It's like there's a hidden message within the text, causing anyone who reads it to peak trans!

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ErrolTheDragon · 23/08/2019 18:07

'Brian Minty, who founded the team four years ago, says: "I've always taken rugby as a totally inclusive sport and we're happy to welcome Kelly to the club.
"One of the main things Kelly does is give confidence to the other people around her. We've got a number of people who've only just started playing."
He can't resist a joke, though, adding: "She's going to be a good, good player for the next few years, as long as we can stop her injuring players in training."'

Hil-bloody-larious.Hmm

MockersthefeMANist · 23/08/2019 18:08

BREAKING NEWS

Turns out blokes are bigger and stronger than girls.

Now over to our correspondent in the woods where there are reports of a bear that is no longer constipated....

Goosefoot · 23/08/2019 18:18

It's like there's a hidden message within the text, causing anyone who reads it to peak trans!

I thought that too.

TurboTeddy · 23/08/2019 18:22

Now over to our correspondent in the woods where there are reports of a bear that is no longer constipated....

Literally snorted when I laughed out loud. Thank you for that.

FermatsTheorem · 23/08/2019 18:23

It is possible I suppose. After all, if you were an unwoke sports journalist working at the BBC where being openly GC would be career suicide, I guess the only way to register your opposition would be to go full on Titania McGrath and hope to peak as many people as possible while your superiors didn't twig to what you were up to.

Poe's law - the bane of modern life.

boatyardblues · 24/08/2019 08:54

As someone else said, it’s awfully close to being an Onion article.

FormerMediocreMale · 24/08/2019 08:54

"I do feel guilty, but what can you do?" she says. "I don't go out to hurt anybody. I just want to play rugby."

Play rugby as a fucking male then stop hurting women you fucking fucker Angry

No one is being excluded, there are nales and females and teams of different levels for both males and females. The fucker needs to find a male team of their level.

FormerMediocreMale · 24/08/2019 08:58

Glad rugby have been looking into trans athletes. Cant read the Times article tho as the share token was time limited.

Beamur · 24/08/2019 09:39

Brian Minty
Jessica Minty-Madley

Related?

SlowasaSnail · 24/08/2019 09:49

I’ll bet my ass they’re related. Men will always prioritise other men, especially their own, over women.

quixote9 · 24/08/2019 09:58

Muscle strength stays relatively high? Really? ZOMG! Who could possibly have guessed? All those photos where members of the team come up to one team member's sternum. But surely that means nothing? It's just a characteristic. Like having blond hair or something. Right?

/endless screaming. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?/

(Sorry about the shouting.)

FlippinFumin · 24/08/2019 10:01

Rugby is the most aggressive sport. And men who play or have played will be well aware of the danger to women of this shitshow. Entitled fuckers, as I have said before, no one is stopping trans people from participating in sport. They are just not entitled to always win or be the best person on the team. That screams entitlement. Go play at the level for your sex, age or ability if you just want to play. And good spot about the names too!

truthisarevolutionaryact · 24/08/2019 12:08

The comments aren't happy about this.

SlowasaSnail · 24/08/2019 12:49

I know the story is about the RFU but the RFL used to have a policy banning mixed sex teams after the age of 12. Sensible policy that I hope is still in place.

1984isHappeningNow · 24/08/2019 12:52

@FormerMediocreMale Another share token for you and anyone else who needs it.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/transgender-policies-could-alter-after-hormone-research-hwbkb9wzd?shareToken=9fa0f92c613456803f2f79d98bd04093

LaPufalina · 24/08/2019 14:07

A good mate of ours (6ft, built) who has a PhD had a head injury playing rugby a couple of years ago and has had to give up work for medical reasons. He's never going to be the same again Sad and that's a man v man tackle gone wrong.

MrGHardy · 24/08/2019 16:40

Step in the right direction but let us be real. All of these males will always have an advantage even if they limit the testosterone to say 3nmol/L for the last 3 years or something.

Why? Because their body went through male puberty. They are larger than they would otherwise be, they have different skeletons than they would otherwise have, etc. etc. etc.

To link this purely to muscle mass, strength and power as somehow indicated by one hormone (testosterone) is a complete joke. I understand that this is something measurable, i.e. something you can 'research' while the height, skeletal, lung size, etc. advantage is a counterfactual and you can not measure it, the answer is not to pretend that these don't matter. That all that matters is testosterone that you can measure.

quixote9 · 25/08/2019 01:48

MrGHardy, you're being sarcastic about the refusal to measure anything except testosterone, right? Of course the can measure height and lung size. It's almost as easy to measure muscle mass, max O2 consumption, etc.

They're just being obtuse because "nobody" is affected. Only women.

ChattyLion · 25/08/2019 06:41

Sunlight, fresh air, truth telling. Thank you Martin Zeigler at the Times. Flowers

Hopefully this article will build pressure on organisations to stop this fucking nonsense and stop more women getting injured, or paralysed or killed PURELY TO VALiDATE MEN.

I mean what’s the male equivalent of this situation? What do men get hurt or could be killed doing, purely to validate women’s feelings of personal identity?
What causes men to lose out on male-only opportunities for professional work or ‘just’ to lose out on physical exercise and team bonding with other men, purely to validate women?

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 25/08/2019 08:22

The Times speaking out yet again. If I could afford a subscription I'd definitely be putting my money their way.

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