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Uni of Bristol disciplinary hearing - professor speaks out

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severnboring · 20/08/2019 19:53

Looks like Bristol University have made a massive mess of this. Shocking to read this statement (pasted and linked below)from professor there but at least she is speaking out. Student A is Dominican feminist Raquel Rosario Sanchez and student B is Nic Shall, whom you may know from the footage of Shall protesting the Bristol JamJar meeting by screaming: 'I'm not she, you fucking cunt! My pronouns are they!'

dr-emma-williamson.tumblr.com/post/187146565848/statement

twitter.com/emmaandeldin/status/1163879839239213063

In February 2018, The Centre for Gender and Violence Research, at the University of Bristol, was mentioned in an anonymous petition calling for the (cancellation) no-platforming of a meeting being organised by Woman’s Place UK [i]. That petition suggested that attaching the Centre’s name to the event was endorsing “hate speech” and called into question the integrity of the Centre.

In fact, the Centre was not involved in this event and had no part in organising or hosting it. However, that petition also named one of the Centre’s PhD students who had been asked to Chair the event - and agreed to do so.

Following the event, which was targeted by activists, the University PVC issued a statement clarifying the University’s position on Free Speech[ii]. This statement makes clear that behaviours which have the effect of silencing the free speech of others are unacceptable. A number of events have taken place since then which raise concerns about how the University of Bristol, and other educational establishments, intends to safeguard university members’ rights to free speech and protection from abuse on this basis.

Further information was added to the University PVC’s statement in May 2018, following a complaint by the student named in the original petition and accused of “hate speech” for chairing the event (Student A), against other students in the University. That statement read:

A University spokesperson said: ‘Concerns have been raised with us about the actions of one of our students in relation to their protesting of a talk by A Woman’s Place. This talk was not hosted by the University. A University of Bristol student chaired the event.

‘We strongly defend the right of students to protest. In this instance a complaint has been made that the form of these actions may have infringed on the freedom of speech of others in our community. The University has a duty to investigate such complaints, and secure free speech in the institution within the law. We have therefore initiated Student Disciplinary Regulations proceedings relating to the form of this student’s protest.

Following the complaint being made, posts appeared on social media which were partial and therefore misleading. These accused the University of deliberately targeting a trans student for writing a letter and made no mention of the intimidatory behaviour and content of social media posts which had constituted the essence of the original complaint.

As the date for the disciplinary hearing approached on June 15th, 2018, more social media posts appeared calling for demonstrations in support of the student against whom the complaint had been made. Despite the University changing the time and date of the hearing several times to keep the complainant, staff members and Disciplinary Committee safe, each time, the new details appeared on-line (by and through student B) necessitating additional security, increased fears regarding the personal safety of participants, and creating delays in convening the meeting.

Nearly 12 months on from the initial complaint, in January 2019, the University of Bristol sought a review and requested impact statement from all parties involved. As student A’s Supervisor (with a duty to support the student during the disciplinary process), I was not asked for a contribution or informed of this review. When the student informed me the review was taking place, I contacted the University and submitted an impact statement. Once again, whilst those supporting student A made representations in ways intended not to interfere with the due process of the complaints procedure, more social media posts appeared on line:

To add insult to injury, the University continue to drag out this most bogus of disciplinary proceedings. The case was adjourned on 15 June 2018 and, 11 months on, will face the disciplinary board again. This comes after the University suggested dropping the case, only to deem ’s considerable mental health difficulties insufficient cause to stop proceedings, showing disregard for students’ mental health and wellbeing on top of transphobia[iii].

What this post does not mention is that many of the significant delays were caused by security concerns linked to the deliberate leaking of information (again, by and through student B) about when and where the hearing was being held. It also fails to consider any mental health impacts on the student making the complaint who at the initial hearing was asked questions by the University lawyer, and cross examined by student B’s Barrister, in the presence of the student against whom the complaint of bullying and aggressive behaviour had been made. To date only student A (the complainant) has been asked to answer questions in front of the disciplinary committee. The post also fails to mention the behavioural aspects of the initial complaint or consider the negative impact that this behaviour has had on other individuals, or the wider climate of academic debate.

The post does however mention that, following the review, the University made a decision to continue with the proceedings. We can only assume that in balancing the submissions made, someone thought that it was appropriate for the process to continue. I do not know who made that decision and on what grounds.

It therefore came as a surprise to hear in June 2019 (18 months after the initial complaint for bullying behaviour by a student, against another student) that the University was ‘terminating’ the complaint. No reasons have been given and there is no transparency as to who made that decision, on what basis, and how it fits with the University’s own student complaint policies and procedures.

Throughout this case those of us who were involved in some way (which includes many members of academic and support staff from supervisors to wellbeing advisors to the media team who have had to respond to emails from those reacting to misleading social media posts) have remained silent in order to allow the University to follow and enact its own policies and procedures. We have throughout advised student A to do the same and supported her in trying to continue with her studies whilst this has been on-going.

As student A’s supervisor, and at the time of the initial complaint Student B’s supervisor also, I do not feel that I can be silent any longer. As I said in my submission to the review in January 2019, irrespective of the outcome of the complaints procedure it is crucial that it reached a decision. As members of staff we cannot in good faith advise students to have confidence in the University’s own complaints procedures if they do not deal with complaints in a timely, safe, transparent and fair way.

I do not know what I can honestly say to a student in future who is making a complaint about being bullied and who is fearful of their safety. Particularly in an era where student welfare is meant to be paramount, the University needs to ensure that supporting students goes beyond ‘signposting’ advice, to providing a justice process where complaints can be dealt with fairly – and acted upon. Those who have written similar posts (during the process), calling for the same, have only ever focused on the issue of trans student welfare[iv] and not considered the duty of care owed to all students, who may themselves be vulnerable, who come forward to make complaints about the behaviour and actions of others against them.

Since the University terminated the case, further social media posts have appeared[v]. Again, these are partial and misleading. The student who made the complaint has been targeted on several occasions over the past 18 months since the original complaint was made. Organisations she is involved with have been threatened with boycott vi, and she has been threatened with legal action, faced masked demonstrators at events she is involved invii viii, both on and off the University campus, and had to pass masked protestors to attend disciplinary proceedings. This targeting has escalated since she originally filed her complaint. The impact on this student (one of our international students) has been thoroughly ignored in all the social media coverage to date, and - by not seeing the complaints process through - in my opinion, by the University too.

The irony of course is that the Centre for Gender and Violence Research has been at the forefront of championing the voices of abused women and other discriminated against groups for nearly 30 years, including the trans community. We are recognised as a centre of excellence, researching for instance the minutiae of bullying behaviours which seek to limit the agency and personhood of discriminated against groups. Moreover, during the past 20 months, whilst this complaint was ongoing, we were engaged in a large scale study looking at aspects of justice for victims and survivors of gender based violence and inequalities. Even within the contexts of our research, student A cannot be said to have been treated in a ‘just’ manner. The bullying and intimidation she has experienced, and which formed part of the initial complaint, appear to have been ignored. She feels that the University of Bristol has treated her in an inhumane, reckless and cruel manner and ignored threats to her safety.

I would like to make a concluding statement and recommendations about how such processes could be better dealt with in future, but this process is not yet at its conclusion. Student A is still waiting for the information she needs to make any decisions about what options are now available to her.

· Who made the decision to terminate the complaint?

· On what basis was that decision made?

· Did that decision take into account the impact on confidence in the complaints procedure more generally?

· Why did the University review the case early in 2019 and decide to continue, only to terminate it in June 2019?

· Why was Student A repeatedly advised that she did not need to seek independent legal representation?

· Why was student A allowed to be cross-examined by student B’s barrister during the first hearing in 2018, yet student B was asked no questions?

· Why are those members of the University who advised student A, now no longer willing to meet and discuss the case with her?

· Why has the University yet to make any statements disputing the claims which have been freely circulated on social media whilst the complaint was on-going (for over 18 months)?

· What has the University done to ensure this students safety and protection from additional bullying during the complaints procedure?

It is in light of these on-going failures that I feel no option but to make a public statement on this matter.

Dr Emma Williamson

Associate Professor/Reader in Gender Based Violence,

Head of the Centre for Gender and Violence Research,

University of Bristol.

[i]openletterbristol.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/cancel-the-a-womans-place-event-in-bristol.pdf?fbclid=IwAR22MJmrs280ybfuQCKFtgMmqjDKF0wcvabbhfDCtvt5Cis7V8qjGE85W6k

[ii]www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2018/february/freedom-of-speech.html

[iii]www.facebook.com/events/1834194523353940/

[iv]epigram.org.uk/2019/05/13/the-university-could-be-at-risk-of-complicity-in-anti-transgender-bullying-campaign/

[v]twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1163493694030397442/photo/2

Aug 20th, 2019

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zebrasdontwearbras · 20/08/2019 22:47

Interesting Twitter thread on the subject of young people and bullying. Only a person musing out loud - but I think there's probably something in it, and I think we should be all be a bit afraid. People my age (40s) are the last generation not to have grown up with pc's, mobile phones glued to our hands, or social media.

twitter.com/babybeginner/status/1163478536297930753

zebrasdontwearbras · 20/08/2019 22:53

I know I've gone wildly off topic with a lot of my posts here tonight, but I have such a strong feeling that it's all interlinked.

Also - see the firing of Bret Weinstein at the Evergreen College in the USA.

LoveGrowsWhere · 20/08/2019 23:02

For every Bristol & Warwick there was also Hull where TRA tried to prevent a lecture theatre being named in honour of Jenni Murray & they failed. Don't know about the first two but PVC of Hull is female.

Oldstyle · 21/08/2019 00:12

Rosa is an amazing young woman. She has consistently spoken up for and written about women's rights, and she helped to set up - against all the odds - the ONLY UK university women's group that remains single sex. She's faced endless harassment and abuse for that but remains, at least on the surface, determined and positive. An absolute role model. These pathetic males complaining about her and trying to prevent the women's group continuing deserve to be thrown out of university. I'm horrified to hear of Bristol's response. Such cowardice. Hope Rosa is ok. It must be taking its toll.

Manderleyagain · 21/08/2019 00:39

That is a very good statement - it is great to see such a supportive (and brave in the circumstances) action by the supervisor.

I want to say thank you to Raquel for everything she's been doing. I hope she continues to persue it through whatever avenues are possible if she feels able. I would contribute (as I'm sure many would) if there were legal fees.

AnyOldPrion · 21/08/2019 07:10

So they has the backing of Mermaids, Teli, and a load of lawyers, despite basically being nothing more than a public tantrummer who calls women cunts?

Poor they, being sooooooooooo oppressed.

This is such a shitshow.

RoyalCorgi · 21/08/2019 09:05

Bristol has an appalling record when it comes to caring for students. This is the university where 11 students have killed themselves in the space of two years. This disgusting treatment of a young woman who has been viciously bullied is another example of their indifference to student welfare.

TalkingintheDark · 21/08/2019 10:07

This disgusting treatment of a young woman who has been viciously bullied is another example of their indifference to student welfare.

Yes. It certainly looks that way.

Sunkisses · 21/08/2019 11:41

Poor Raquel. What a disgraceful performance by Bristol Uni. Appalling they didn't even get to interview her, and silenced her and her supporters throughout this long-drawn out process. Bristol Uni has just sent out the message to deranged, abusive, mentally unwell and violent extremists that they can bully fellow students with impunity

elephantfan · 21/08/2019 13:03

So that is Bristol and Warwick off the list of universities that respect women.
Maybe there should be a league table.
Or are they all going the same way?

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 21/08/2019 13:14

If Student A has a crowd funder for legal advice, I'll be very happy to contribute.
Me too

LizzieSiddal · 21/08/2019 13:57

So student B kept publishing the location of the meetings, despite being told not to, for everyone’s safety.
What more proof do they need of their bullying behaviour?

LizzieSiddal · 21/08/2019 13:59

My Dd went to Bristol, she graduated 4 years ago and said pastoral care was shocking.

Oldstyle · 21/08/2019 16:59

Think they were the ones who put up those 'be kind to trans in the loos' posters that told women to accept the poor oppressed chaps unquestioningly or go elsewhere. So not very interested in female safety, or female rights. And clearly not very interested in ensuring that female students are not abused/harassed.
No doubt the supervisor will now get in in the neck from the TRA crew. It's astonishing that this despicable bullying isn't called out.

GCAcademic · 21/08/2019 17:07

The supervisor will get it in the neck from the TRA crew and from the university’s senior management, and will not get any support from UCU either. She’s a brave woman.

Becles · 21/08/2019 17:59

Thank you Dr Williamson

Mumfun · 21/08/2019 18:52

Thank you Dr Williamson

And yes we need a list of universities that dont care for women. And of those that do stand up for women. Very important when a lot of us have potential students coming through our families.

Sanddancer99 · 21/08/2019 22:29

Section 43 of the Education (No 2) Act 1986 (the s43 duty) places a legal duty on universities to take “reasonably practicable steps” to ensure freedom of speech. The government’s response to the review by the Joint Committee on Human Rights on “Freedom of Speech in Universities,” makes it clear that “reasonably practicable steps” can include disciplinary action against students who use intimidatory or threatening behaviour to shut down legal free speech. By closing the disciplinary process, and taking no action against the escalating intimidatory behaviour of Student B, the university is giving a green light for activists to bully and intimidate with impunity. It is therefore failing in its legal duty to take “reasonably practicable steps” to protect legal free speech.

GCAcademic · 21/08/2019 23:31

As soon as I read the word “barrister” in that statement, I knew what was coming. It was exactly the same with the Warwick group chat case. Universities are terrified of legal action, even when they know their position is winnable. They will avoid at all costs. I hope that Raquel takes this to the Office of the Independent Adjudicator - she certainly has an excellent case against the University.

Oldstyle · 21/08/2019 23:58

She has GCAcademic but the cost to her health will be considerable - on top of the stress of the past two years. Bristol Uni really need to deal with this. Maybe just the threat of a court case would help. I'd be happy to contribute to a crowdfunder.

severnboring · 22/08/2019 10:48

mobile.twitter.com/8RosarioSanchez/status/1164245147623841792

Shall was balaclava'd up and pacing the hall outside Sanchez' event a a couple months ago - ie over a year after Sanchez reported Shall's bullying and aggression. Had to be removed by campus security. Shall also assualted Helen Steel (in replies).

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RoyalCorgi · 22/08/2019 10:53

This is all so profoundly depressing.

I think the worst aspect for me is not just knowing that there are men out there who will abuse women and girls - which has always been the case, sadly - but the revelation that all the organisations that we would expect to protect us are now on the side of the abuser. The NSPCC is knowingly putting children at risk. A university, which should have student welfare as a top priority, is allowing one of its students to be aggressively and violently targeted by another student. Why is this happening? I don't understand it.

BazzleJet · 22/08/2019 11:15

I too also need to ask why all this is happening? Why? Is it hatred of women? I just don't see the point of Student B being such an arse. What are they supposed to get out of it? And why are they being allowed to continue? Their behaviour is appalling.

Goosefoot · 22/08/2019 15:44

I too also need to ask why all this is happening? Why? Is it hatred of women? I just don't see the point of Student B being such an arse. What are they supposed to get out of it? And why are they being allowed to continue? Their behaviour is appalling.

I think we need to look at this as part of a problem that goes beyond women's issues. It's very much like the film of what went on at Evergreen, which was done not in the name of trans activism, but anti-racism.

Over the past number of years we've created all kinds of institutional ways to try help people who are from oppressed or marginalised groups, to make sure they have access to institutional powers or protections that have sometimes been closed to them. So things like a sort of preferencing groups seen to be marginalised, or for example in the JY case where he was able to bring these cases to the human right board with no real questions asked and no costs.

All of this is attached to a narrative that says we need to listen to and preference the views of people who belong to certain communities, that we have to always believe them, accept their narrative and interpretation of a situation. This is particularly entrenched among people who see themselves as progressives.

I'm involved in an ongoing discussion of an issue with a friend on FB like this, where a particular behaviour is being presented as something a particular marginalised community has a consensus is bad, pretty much based on a few articles in papers like the Guardian about the topic, which is a fairly minor one. The two notable things to me are the fact that many in the discussion are convinced that this community, or at least everyone that counts in it, are in agreement (which is distinctly unlikely) but also that if they are it means we must deter to that view, absolutely, with no discussion of the issue itself. This is what it means to be an ally, supposedly.

What a lot of these people seem to fail to understand is that users, abusers, sociopaths, people with personality disorders, and self-righteous dickheads, are present in every community, including marginalised ones, and will use any means to gain what they want. And they are quite happy to present themselves as victims or brave fighters of oppression if that gets them what they want, including attention. Some people will even lack the self-awareness to understand that is what they are doing.

We've enabled this kind of bad behaviour by creating a means for people with no moral compunctions to assert themselves over others, particularly in institutions that have been dominated by a left-wing discourse as many universities have been.

What I really wonder is how it is we failed to consider that there are always people who will behave this way. I think it's this idea that privileges a view of the oppressor class in a situation as always in the wrong, and the oppressed as always in the right, where you get people saying things like, a POC can't be racist because racism is systemic. People have somehow forgotten that groups are made of individuals, and individuals grasp institutional power wherever they can. The oppressor/oppressed binary is just too simplistic.

Needmoresleep · 22/08/2019 17:19

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-47199156

The Bristol Free Speech Society seems to be doing its best against a depressing culture of misogyny. Mens sports take priority over women's sports for training facilities, girls soon learn to down their drinks in one rather than risk leaving them unattended and so on. Bristol is so woke that it is regressive, with little understanding of additional protections female students might need (Bristol announced last year that they would spend the equivalent of three years welfare budget on creating gender neutral toilets - at a University where many departments cannot offer wheelchair access) and active support for promoting gender stereotypes when many women would prefer acceptance of women not conforming to typical gender roles.

Not surprisingly their welfare support is really poor. The focus seems very much on certain minorities, leaving others to cope with a difficult, often unsafe (drugs use is huge) living environment.

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