Your plan to overthrow patriarchy

[MaeWest1890]

New to MN since last month.
Can you please tell us here your plan to overthrow patriarchy?

I think the reason patriarchy continues to a very large part, is because of the rampant unpunished abuse and killing of women.
So my plan is that all women should unite in all democratic countries to ensure that feminist analysis of women’s and men’s behaviour is taken into account, so police do not ignore women's abuse and that the rapist does not go free because the woman froze in the moment and did not cry out, as an example.

An immediate action could be to start a UK Parliament Petition with a heading of – “The UK Government and the Police have a problem with institutional misogyny.”

Men are united 100%, there are no laws that benefit women and harm all men. But there many many laws that benefit men and harm all women.

My rallying call for women to unite was called vacuous, hence this question for all here.

I hope every one can say what their plan is, to overthrow patriarchy.

If you do not have one, can you say why, I will make it easier for everyone by listing some obvious possible reasons for you individually not to have a plan.

1. Patriarchy should not be overthrown – please give your reason.
2. It can not be overthrown by women – as above.
3. It will be overthrown only by men when they decide for whatever reasons – women do not need to have plan.
4. It will never be “overthrown” – the best women can do is make the life of women better in small ways – as has happened over the last few thousand years and you accept that it will be another few hundred or thousand years for all women’s suffering to end for just being born a woman. Women do not need a plan, just carry on as now. Pease also state your time scale.
5. It will be actively overthrown but you yourself do not need to have a plan, it is other’s job to have any plan. Please say who.
6. You will have a plan, but at the moment you are prioritising your own existence because of money, career, partner, family etc. – Please say how many years before you will have a plan yourself.
7. You are actively researching and will be formulating a plan soon – please indicate a timeline.

I don’t necessarily want this to be a discussion thread among a small number, but want to know from as many different members as possible, as to their own individual stance on this question if possible, thank you.

No time to answer in full - but here is the gender sensitive inquiry - you can submit your thoughts in writing via a word doc.

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/women-and-equalities-committee/inquiries/parliament-2017/gender-sensitive-parliament-audit-inquiry-17-19/?fbclid=IwAR3z3T_PJhKfPScRlFPDfpHICL8XQuFd-Ad8okd8qL98dyx98aku1CKUPGU

I think most of us are doing what we can bit by bit to make the world better for women.
And yes, I 'prioritize my own existence' while doing so. I like existing.
When it comes to money or family, I prioritize my child and I having a roof over our heads and food in the cupboard.
I think it is a feminist issue that so many women do spend their time prioritizing their existences and those of their children instead of drawing up personal plans to overthrow the patriarchy.
As far as time lines go, I think that can best be summed up with a meme.

I think it's a bit much to ask individual women exactly what they are going to do to "overthrow patriarchy" as you should understand individual women have very little power or influence.

Feminism works collectively.
When you follow feminist groups and feminists working together you can see, bit by bit, the small but significant achievements that are made by them.

It's a gradual process and in the west the gradual process has resulted in thousands of small but significant changes that have benefited women.

You can't expect one woman from the UK on Mumsnet (MN is predominantly UK based) to tell you how she plans to stop FGM in Northern Africa, or women being trafficked across Asia for sexual exploitation, or how to stop prostitution or rape across the globe (these are all examples of patriarchy in action).

It's not something that can be done by individual women on their own.

"The plan" is as it has always been. Raising conscience. Collective lobbying. Gaining the support of people in power. Supporting feminist causes financially and helping them share their message to reach a wide audience as possible.

What's your plan?

What's your plan OP?

Sorry cross post with DwPm

Lol mine was a bit long winded

Most of my plan is focused on bringing up my sons to be genuinely non-sexist, to see the patriarchy in action everywhere and see the damage it does. I hope that this will be a small step towards a future generation full of enough non-sexists to effect real change. We are far too few in number for now.

That consultation link posted above is no good - deadline for submissions was 2nd August.

Mine's to avoid making (patriarchal) imperious demands of other women.

Ditto LangCleg

I’m going to release exploding sex bots. That’ll do it.

OP, have just read this out to female partner and visiting female friends. Thanks for the laugh.

Who are the 'us here' you're referring to? Are you the elite squad of the women's army?

I think demolishing the patriarchy is like eating an elephant- tackle whatever small chunk is nearest you.

So my plan is that all women should unite in all democratic countries

Good luck

Let us all hold hands together.

There's a start.

I'd make illegal the vilification of DV survivors, and single mothers.

I'd make long term community service for perpetrators of DV and sexual related crimes mandatory...

... And would drastically toughen up laws, conviction rates, sentences, etc for these crimes

I'd make dressing in drag illegal.

I'd bring in laws to properly even out equality between mothers and fathers.

I'd announce a comprehensive public enquiry into the trans cult.

I'd ban puberty blockers.

I'd block gender reassignment without full psychiatric assessment.

Teach our children. That’s my plan.

I would remove the word gender from all official documents and revert it back to the correct word, sex.

And,
Unlike some, I would actually tell people what I am about to do.

Why?
Because I care about people especially women and children.

I have a hobby horse and this^ is mine

Storming the barricades and plotting bloody revolution to overthrow the patriarchy in one fell swoop is the stuff of fantasy, OP.
Reality is much more mundane, but does get results. If you’d lived as long as I have, you’d have seen huge improvements in many areas, achieved by lobbying, organising, consciousness raising, petitioning etc.
When I was born, abortion was illegal, marital rape was legal, there were no women’s refuges, women couldn’t get a loan without a male guarantor, contraception was only for married women, there was no Equal Pay Act, women couldn’t graduate from Cambridge, London medical schools had quotas to limit women students to 10% of places, sexist abuse was entrenched, sanpro couldn’t even be advertised on tv, women couldn’t be church ministers or bishops, school lessons were sex segregated so girls were forced to do cookery, not technical drawing, and trousers were forbidden at school even in winter. There was no Women’s World Cup in football.
I think modern young women would be shocked to the core by the society I lived in as a youngster.
We as feminists have made massive progress so far, and should be proud of that, as well as continuing the fight with our same humdrum old methods that get results.

Well said Babdoc.

So my plan is that all women should unite in all democratic countries

Don't they need feminism in undemocratic ones then?

Ali1cedowntherabbithole

Apparently not.
There's a hierarchy dontcha know.

I think modern young women would be shocked to the core by the society I lived in as a youngster.
I think that's part of the problem, they should be aware of their own history and instead they are divorced from it.

There have been several attempts at petitions, for example to get the government to record crimes committed by sex not gender. I've signed those but I don't think I'd sign a petition to overthrow the patriarchy, it would be a situationist joke.

Overthrowing is in itself a patriarchal concept. Ending the patriarchy means conceptualising something different to patriarchy just being run by women instead of men.

One of the few positive things about this current ugly resurgence of male supremacy is the number of average, every day women who wouldn't have called themselves feminist or thinking much about it, suddenly starting to notice and realise that there are major issues associated with female biology, that equality isn't achieved, that this isn't acceptable, and are starting to talk, and meet and organise. Womens rights is starting to become an issue that isn't the preserve of a small group of people framed as a bit 'odd'.

So it's how do women make a difference in the world? What do they do? How do they get things done and organise together? It's often based in grass roots basic action.