ITV News: Crowdfunding fast tracking gender surgery

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www.itv.com/news/2019-08-09/how-crowdfunding-is-fast-track-to-surgery-for-transgender-patients-stuck-in-waiting-game/

Clinical psychologist thinks demand has not yet plateaued yet and demand is still increasing.

NHS England says it has doubled almost doubled investment since 2015 to £5.7 million.

No comment. I have no words.

When this bubble breaks, it's going to break hard. That's a lot of otherwise-healthy young people being set up for lifelong medical problems.
And that's just the surgery. The numbers sourcing hormones online and outside the NHS is likely to be horrifying.
I know someone who is campaigning for her 8yo to go on blockers and then start cross-sex hormones at 12. It's all about being 'lifesaving' and I have little doubt she's going to try get them illegally if she can't get the prescription legally.
The fallout for all these children and young people being indoctrinated in the gender religion and permanently damaging their bodies is going to be huge and heartbreaking.

It only took me 15 days to raise the money for my surgery

Who's actually paying for these surgeries?

I don’t think it should be available at all on the NHS. Or the hormones for that matter.

After reading that article, a question did occur to me: if a person identifies as non-binary, what will surgery achieve? What is that person transitioning from/to?

Turtles that poor child being pushed into taking such horrendous drugs

The T lobby groups are very well funded so is it possible the rich backers are helping towards surgery?

I dont think cosmetic surgery should be paid for by NHS either. Different if its for burns cases etc but not mutilating otherwise healthy bodies.

Blockers need banning completely.

Non binary seems to require double mastectomies and a masculine look.

Non binary seems to require double mastectomies and a masculine look.

It is striking. I've noticed that the female non-binary people seem to want to look masculine, while the male non-binary people either do a lot of accessorising with scarves and make up, or present as purely masculine and accessorise by having a go at 'cis' women for being 'privileged'.
For people who 'don't identify as male or female', its interesting how the performance of that lack of gender is so starkly divided by their sex.

My partner is trans, it’s a long waiting list to even see anyone in the first place. 16 months to initial appointment for adults here.
I can see why there would be people who struggle to cope on the waiting lists (basically unsupported in every way) would want to crowdfund if it were to significantly cut their waiting times.

These people (the ones that I’ve known anyway) are desperately unhappy.

These people (the ones that I’ve known anyway) are desperately unhappy.

Surely if someone is desperately unhappy they need proper counselling or to see psychiatrist. Surgery surely is just a patch rather than a long term solution.

Lots of people are unhappy. Is it really the job if the NHS to do anything about this?
The NHS is on its knees and they shouldn’t be funding any plastic surgery (apart from
People who have been in fires etc)

No support has even been offered, mental or otherwise.

It’s a waiting game to get to that first appointment to find any support. That’s what I’ve observed anyway.

My chin is questioning its gender identity. The test of my body is female but the way its been sprouting thick black hairs for the past few years I must have a male chin.

I might start crowd funding for a Phillips lumea that I have just been reading about on another thread. I'm distressed by being a hairy, middle aged woman.

I wasn’t just talking about surgery, I was talking about any treatment or support at all.

Caaarrrl. I’m sure you could crowdfund for that if you really wanted to, I’ve seen a lot of random fundraisers.

But being trans isn’t a mental illness (as we’ve repeatedly been told) so why would the NHS need to offer support?

No support has even been offered, mental or otherwise

Do you think that might have been an own goal by lobby groups. Basically as soon as a person mentions trans all else ignored and wait for GIDs. Would it not be better to have counselling first or in addition? Admittedly there is still a wait for MH support but might get some help quicker?

This is so awful. They are being brainwashed into thinking they are going to commit suicide if they don't have their healthy body parts removed.

What these people need is an honest counsellor who will help them come to terms with their perfectly healthy body. The suicide rate from what I understand actually increases after surgery, so it isn't helping them in the slightest.

I watched a video of a man who said he saved up his own money for 10-20 years before having surgery. If people really want to do that then that's up to them, it should definitely not be on the NHS. All this rushing children to get sterilised and mutilated is beyond sickening.

JoyceJeffries. No matter that the end goal is, surgery or no surgery. I imagine it affects you an awful lot if you see something on your body that you don’t feel is “true” or “right”. And I think that should be supported and counselled.

I should mention we’re not actually in England, we’re in the UK though.

Former. I think it’s more down to the amount of people on the lists and the fact the treatments have basically been standardised.

I do think much more counselling should be offered though. Way more. I’m certain my partner has felt suicidal in the past.

Absurd, obscene and frightening.

'“It’s not cosmetic surgery, it’s lifesaving surgery.”'

There should be some form of enquiry into this. Someone will be putting forward the idea, surely? Millions of pounds for surgery on healthy people! When the NHS is near breaking point as it is. Heartbreaking.

I can't see dysphoria as any different than dysmorphia, or an anorexic urge to alter one's body.

I'm guessing that Stonewall has a huge financial fund that trans people can apply to?

Stonewall is constantly talking about how hard it is to be trans (and lobbying the government for huge sums on the back of that), so they must be offering some help, surely?

Does Stonewall offer any financial help? Practical help? Free counselling maybe?

Or does it just hoover up the charity grants, host champagne receptions and leave trans people twisting in the wind?

Popchyk I couldn’t tell you, we have no experience of them. Only the NHS.

They’re quite an anxious person so don’t use groups or anything. Not really active on social media etc

That does sound hard, Schrodinger.

Must take a very hard toll on you also. It's okay to step out of your caretaker role and focus on yourself though. Sometimes it is absolutely necessary. And, as harsh as this sounds, sometimes you can't help other people, you can only help yourself.

Wish you and your partner the best of luck.

Thanks Popchyk. Currently taking it a day at a time.

We need to be realistic about this demand nationally

That's an NHS clinician advocating for an NHS service to be "demand" not "need" led.

JFC.