Sex is a human right

[Fraggling]

It's time for another article about why men with disabilities must be given women to fuck.

I am sick of this.

This one guess further. One person says paying for sex should be a choice, but not the only one (no elaboration what they mean by that).

A man says that it can be easily argued that sex is a human right.

Shocker yet again features zero disabled women chatting about how important it is that they can choose men to pay to go down on them.

The tone of this is very positive. Suggests men with disabilities be given women to fuck on the nhs (presumably men as well if that's their preference but yet again, strangely, only women who are paid are interviewed).

Logical end point of sex as a human right is that men who can't get laid for whatever reason be given women to fuck.

Mens sexual rights presented as human rights / progressive.

There also weirdly seems be a message that people without disabilities are being mean by not having sex with disabled men.

Oh and a cry for 'sexual equality' yes you heard that right.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hampshire-48875001/disabled-sex-escorts-should-be-a-choice-not-the-only-option

No, and nothing about it in the teen vogue article which is calling for better education and reduced stigma for female pleasure.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.teenvogue.com/story/sexual-pleasure-is-a-human-right/amp

Read the oxfam blog.

I think the pp owes the author an apology for so grossly misrepresenting what she says.

Extract:
This is nothing new. Feminists, activists and women’s rights organizations have been talking about sexual pleasure as a critical issue (and a right) for decades. It’s a universal concern that is relevant to everyone, not just in the communities where development work takes place.Students in the UK are campaigningfor sex education that includes information about women’s sexual pleasure, based on the reasonable premise that “a greater understanding of female sexuality and a boost to the status of

female pleasure are key in shifting …degrading attitudes and behaviors towards young women.”

Another extract

'Our present reality is that women and LGBTQI people in almost every part of the world have less power, access and voice than heterosexualcisgendermen. The ways in which the patriarchy has been manifest in sexual enjoyment and rights is readily apparent. Female genital mutilation is recognized by many as an abuse of women’s bodies and can be directly linked to the ability to experience sexual pleasure; it’s an area of work where women’s right to sexual pleasure is implicit in the discussions, though explicitly it’s largely spoken about as a woman’s right to bodily integrity. Discrimination and ‘corrective rape’ of lesbian women – who pose a threat to men by taking pleasure in each other’s bodies – show how sexual pleasure can play a political and subversive role in a patriarchal, misogynist society (and can put some women and LGBTQI people at risk).'

Now i don't agree with everything she says, but the representation of that as women must be supplied with people of their choice to fuck is ludicrous.

This is such a great example of false equivalence and reversal, i hope lots of lurkers are reading. Shows what we're up against!

Nah @angelasashes there is not a single reference to women buying sex in any of the articles you cited. Like, what?

The first reference is actually a book. Highly doubt y’all have have read it in 20minutes.

You expect us to go off and read books?

No mate the onus is on you to give us some quotes / or links to articles given that you said that there have been 'several extreme feminist articles that have come out saying that for women “good sex is a human right” and basically that if the sex is bad, it is rape and men should be punished for not prioritising women’s needs in sex.'

Also, y'all? I assume you're American, you've come a long way to tell women on mn that men have a human right to sex which is only fair as women demanded it first...

@angelasashes have you even read it? Because you cited quilliam who wrote a book review not the actual authors (jolly Cornwall and Hawkins). If you have, please give page numbers for the passages you're referring to. Because yeah it's too long to read the whole thing when your other sources did not stand up.

Purchased sex is a form of consensual sex.
We ended up here by framing questions of sex and sexual pleasure in terms of it being “a right.” It should be considered a privilege,
It should never have been given the status of a right.
Now we have to deal with questions of incels, people with physical and mental disabilities...

I am looking forward to Amia’s book Right To Sex which comes out next year.

Yeah I’ll get right on that! (Sarcasm) I checked the book out the library months ago and have horrible memory for authors.
I wasn’t quoting passages but summarising take aways from what I remember reading.

Wow. That's quite a leap to blame feminists for male entitlement for sex. Maybe you should read the articles you cited. They're not terrible actually.

'several extreme feminist articles that have come out'

Now it's a book you borrowed from the library?

You prefer your goalposts on wheels, clearly.

Am I reading this right in that you’re equating women campaigning against girls having their genitals mutilated to prevent sexual pleasure, to men being able to buy women’s bodies? Because both are about the right to sexual pleasure?

I think the kindest thing I can say here is: I really don’t think it works like that. They’re different in every respect. In all the articles I’ve ever read that take the position that disabled men have the right to prostituted women, I have never once read about disabled women being entitled to prostituted men. Its all, always about males rights of sexual access to women, and the only point at debate is whether it is more ableist or misogynist. For my money the latter wins.

Sophocles- no you are reading it wrong. People are confusing window dressing for the substantive points:

1. If (consensual) sex is a human right then that applies to men and women,
   When combined with:

2. If sex work is just a type of services then purchased sex is also consensual sex, ergo men and women have a right to buy consensual sex.

3. according to law, sellers of services cannot discriminate against buyers on the basis of...race, sex, religion, disability, etc...therefore disabled people have a right to buy consensual sex.

Not blaming feminists...but they were the first to frame sex as a right in the 1980s. It was also used by LGBTQ movement in lobbying to decriminalise sex between people of the same sex by framing sex as a fundamental human right. Then we have the feminist movement surrounding sex workers and how it is “just work” and their right to sell sex.

This is the outcome of those converging movements

Articles tend to frame it as men buying sex because that’s the majority scenario. Just like domestic violence articles are framed around men abusing women..even though the laws themselves are gender neutral and the reality is that men are abused by women.
It’s the same case here. The article may only mention men buying the sex, but the philosophical discussion on the right to sex, right to sell sex etc are actually gender neutral. There is no talk of prohibiting women from buying sex or men selling sex.

I think you have to be a little careful with right to buy arguments.

We all have a right to buy food, and food sellers can't not sell you food because you are disabled etc. But it doesn't mean anyone is actually obligated to be a food seller, and if they aren't people doing that job buyers would presumably have to find some other way to access food. (Obviously n that case government might somehow step in so people don't starve, but the point is having a right to purchase a service doesn't mean anyone is obligated to provide the service.)

@Fraggling
Nope. Sorry it’s not my responsibility to be your philosophy and law professor.
Love your attempt at ethnic profiling btw. Doesn’t come across as bigoted at all.
And FYI, you are misquoting me. I not once said men have a right to sex. In every post I have said sex should not be a right.

'Feminists posited the right to sex.`

Radical feminists have written extensively on womens' right not to have sex

I can link you to a radical feminist article written 6 years ago entitled "All PIV is rape, ok?"

So some radical feminists think all intercourse is rape.

Not saying I agree, I'm just saying this is the type of stuff feminists are actually writing

I think sex is a human right if its between consenting adults.. ie no one has the right to stop consenting adults from having sex. I agree with that. But I dont think it's a right to be given sex if you cant find anyone to consent.

“but the point is having a right to purchase a service doesn't mean anyone is obligated to provide the service”

Well yes. But if you choose to be seller of services, you cannot legally discriminate on the basis of disability.
Furthermore, in the case of the disabled, who have no earned income, the taxpayer provides benefits either in the form of money or direct services. So take a care home or mental hospital. The residents are not buying food, shelter, medication. They are provided it. If you made sex a human right on par with food, well then, they have a right to it as well and the government must therefore source sex from willing sellers.

Germany and I think the Netherlands already do this via sex surragocy services contracts. Denmark has for over a decade
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/1499735/Taxpayers-foot-bill-for-disabled-Danes-visits-to-prostitutes.html

I agree completely it is very very dangerous. Sex is a privilege not a right.

And I'd consider some sex workers as consenting... but the problem is some are coerced arent they? So that's not consenting adults having sex. I think people should be able to buy and sell sex if they choose to do so... I think to try and prevent that is putting a sticking plaster over a much bigger problem.. it's a symptom not a cause. Society objectifys women and encourages men to view women as sex objects and to gain self esteem from having numerous sexual encounters... that's the actual issue. A consenting adult exchanging money for sex is not inherently wrong... if it's your body you should be able to do what you want with it... the issue is with the context in which it's taking place..... and I understand that in a society which objectified women even if you are selling sex freely because you want to.. you still may be contributing to the objectification of all women...so it's not an easy issue with an easy answer I dont think.
Personally I'd err on the side of rights over your own body.. I dont think individual women should be held accountable for societies view of women... and so I consider sex work to be legitimate work if its freely chosen.

You've got to feel sorry for a no armed man who wants a wank. Please be sensitive to his situation. If any of you ladies feel you can provide a kind hand of help speak up.😂😂😂😂

Sex as a right...
Well you have to go to the 80s. At the time, the feminist movement was struggling to justify & defend unfettered access to free contraception and abortion as a type of healthcare. You have to realise for a long time women were supposed to view sex as the means of procreation. It was not recognised that women should be permitted to have sex for the sake of pleasure alone without having to take on the risk of pregnancy.
So they framed sex for pleasure as a fundamental human right. Everything else is window dressing- abolish FGM because it removes all pleasure, legalise abortion, free contraception, sex education, orgasms not negotiable, and of course consent for sex. They all followed on from that as ancillary requirements necessary to give women their right to sex for pleasure.

Add in the sex work thing, add in nondiscrimination in selling sex, add in inclusivity for the marginalised (unable to procure for self)...well here we are. At the logical extreme where it has become illogical.