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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sex is a human right

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Fraggling · 03/08/2019 13:09

It's time for another article about why men with disabilities must be given women to fuck.

I am sick of this.

This one guess further. One person says paying for sex should be a choice, but not the only one (no elaboration what they mean by that).

A man says that it can be easily argued that sex is a human right.

Shocker yet again features zero disabled women chatting about how important it is that they can choose men to pay to go down on them.

The tone of this is very positive. Suggests men with disabilities be given women to fuck on the nhs (presumably men as well if that's their preference but yet again, strangely, only women who are paid are interviewed).

Logical end point of sex as a human right is that men who can't get laid for whatever reason be given women to fuck.

Mens sexual rights presented as human rights / progressive.

There also weirdly seems be a message that people without disabilities are being mean by not having sex with disabled men.

Oh and a cry for 'sexual equality' yes you heard that right.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hampshire-48875001/disabled-sex-escorts-should-be-a-choice-not-the-only-option

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Fraggling · 03/08/2019 14:55

There were threads on here at the time

Main amnesty put a statement out but very very very late

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Fraggling · 03/08/2019 14:59

Just been reading some old threads, they said it was a human right to buy sex, my mistake.

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RedToothBrush · 03/08/2019 15:15

Who are the women who are providing this 'service' and what rights do they have?

I hope that if we are talking about it being paid for by the NHS that there is a full risk assessment for them. I look forward to the publication of the health and safety guidelines for 'NHS Sex Workers' and I hope they are given equal pay and pensions to other NHS workers who are employed at a similar grade.

Oh wait, what do you mean that sex work is illegal, and sex workers are expected to work without having any rights or protections? Whilst their employers are 'just exercising their human rights'? Oh ok, that makes perfect sense and really sounds equal.

Fraggling · 03/08/2019 15:19

'Who are the women who are providing this 'service' and what rights do they have?'

These questions aren't worth thinking about. What is important is keeping men sexually satisfied with the bodies of their choice.

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Fraggling · 03/08/2019 15:21

I remember a hoo-ha about a care home where they were getting prostitutes in for the people.

One man they were procuring for was violent.

There was a bit of handwringing about the vulnerable residents and what about risk assessment.

Zero mention that the prostitutes could be vulnerable
Zero risk assessment for them
Zero wondering about the ethics of putting an unwitting prostitute in a room with a man known to be violent

Women are not important.

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AngelasAshes · 03/08/2019 15:23

Im surprised this is new to you. The right to sexual pleasure (and sex) has been circulating in feminist circles for ages, here are a few...there are tons out there...

Women, Sexuality and the Political Power of Pleasure: Sex, Gender and Empowerment Susan Quillam

Let’s Talk About Sex: why sexual satisfaction & pleasure should be on the international development agenda. Chloe Safier

Sexual Pleasure is a Human Right- teen vogue

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Fraggling · 03/08/2019 15:47

Lol at these being the same things

Really interesting that someone cannot see the difference between wanting good sex with a consenting partner (still highly relevant as girls and women are still being coerced into unwanted sexual acts all over the place every day)

And having the inalienable right top be provided with another human being to fuck

Really interesting insight thank you. It hadn't occurred to me that some people would see these things as equivalent.

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Imnobody4 · 03/08/2019 15:50

I find this all depressing. There are plenty of powerful forces in the world pushing hard against the concept of human rights. This idiocy just makes the back lash more likely and it will take women's rights down with it.

sakura184 · 03/08/2019 16:21

It seems that many men believe they will die if they don't have sex, same as if they don't have food or water.

And yet ironically a lot of women literally do die from sexual intercourse. The USA ranks 46th in the world for its appalling maternal death rate, the UK is 30th

Imnobody4 · 03/08/2019 16:53

Hate to be pedantic they die of childbirth not sexual intercourse. And yet ironically a lot of women literally do die from sexual intercourse.

Fraggling · 03/08/2019 17:02

I would say that death in childbirth is absolutely linked to sex with men (!) and in areas with things like child marriage, few reproductive rights for women, no abortion etc then yes sex with men can lead to death.

Also of course plenty of women also die by the hand of the men they are in sexual relationships with

And not infrequently while engaged in sex, or at least the man was engaged in doing something he found sexually exciting and the woman died. Recent cases I read on mn include strangulation and disembowelment.

So there's that.

So if you want to be pedantic, women die as a result of men's sexual entitlement all over the world every day, sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly.

This article/video is a great example of male sexual entitlement. A human right indeed.

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Fraggling · 03/08/2019 17:03

Should say women and girls die.

Not just women.

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happydappy2 · 03/08/2019 17:29

Life is not fair, its just natures way. Sex is not a human right. I will never support the mantra sex work is work-there should always be another option for women (and men) rather than selling their bodies. (Though some men do it for kicks as well as cash.)

AngelasAshes · 03/08/2019 18:52

I take it you didn’t read everything I posted. It’s a daisy chain. Feminists posited the right to sex...then within that added right to pleasurable sex. You have to dig backwards.

Teen vogue for example talks about sex with consent but also talks about right to sex, (which would include for women the ability to buy sex from men.)

The other papers go into detail about women’s right to sex. Including buying it. Any discussion on right to buy sex or right to sex etc includes women buying male prostitutes. So of course, if women have a right to sex, and it is a human right, it therefore follows that men also have a right to sex.

Of course the good sex part assumes a male in the picture but given that the right to pleasure falls under right to sex, cannot assume the male is not bought via prostitution. (Which you have done by just skimming over the text).

Yes, I realise that vast majority of prostitutes are female, & sex trafficking is an atrocity which is why I do not think sex is a right.

RoyalCorgi · 03/08/2019 18:56

Teen vogue for example talks about sex with consent but also talks about right to sex, (which would include for women the ability to buy sex from men.)

Since when has Teen Vogue - which tries to emotionally blackmail teenage girls into accepting anal sex as normal - been a feminist publication?

isabellerossignol · 03/08/2019 19:00

Teen Vogue? The same publication that gives teenagers advice on anal sex and uses diagrams that don't include proper female anatomy? Yes, Teen Vogue is definitely a feminist publication. Hmm

isabellerossignol · 03/08/2019 19:01

Took so long reading the posts that I missed that someone else had posted the same thing a few minutes before me. Blush

Fraggling · 03/08/2019 19:04

'Feminists posited the right to sex.`

I have never heard this and have done a fair amount of reading.

Let's have some links, you really need to back that claim up.

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Fraggling · 03/08/2019 19:06

Maybe I missed your links.

Teen vogue is shit though so I'm not reading that. It is 900% not feminist lol in article about how girls should definitely give anal a try, the diagram of female sex related anatomy left the clitoris out...

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Fraggling · 03/08/2019 19:09

I want links to where Susan thingy and chlie wotsit say year women have a human right to sexual intercourse with other people (of their choosing).

And compare it to eating and drinking.

Thanks.

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Fraggling · 03/08/2019 19:10

'Any discussion on right to buy sex or right to sex etc includes women buying male prostitutes. So of course, if women have a right to sex, and it is a human right, it therefore follows that men also have a right to sex.'

Mind boggling reversal. So the story goes that women, feminists, insist that women have the right to sex with hot young men, and do why shouldn't men have that right too?

Have you ever met any women or men lol this is totally how the world works.

Poor men :(

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Maniak · 03/08/2019 19:18

The other papers go into detail about women’s right to sex. Including buying it.

No? The Safier blog talks about the right to pleasure in the context of FGM and corrective rape. Nothing about the right to men's bodies for sex.

oxfamblogs.org/fp2p/lets-talk-about-sex-why-sexual-satisfaction-pleasure-should-be-on-the-international-development-agenda/

Maniak · 03/08/2019 19:37

The Quilliam book review has nothing like that either. Maybe you meant the actual book (harder to access)?

srh.bmj.com/content/40/1/53