New PM, TRAs getting their group letter in early

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The BBC write that LGBT groups and celebrities call for gender law reform.

Thinking FPFW, WPUK, and Resisters should get a letter in too, co-signed by shelter staff and similar professionally-interested parties

The sob stories are rubbish. "They got the paperwork wrong and they were so humiliated." Real heartstring-tugging stuff there.

Compare with genuine human rights issues, and the devastation and trauma that gets caused in people's lives by government policies and fuckups on Universal Credit, on disability assessments, on immigration policy and asylum, on domestic violence, on prosecuting sexual assaults.

I don't see why people would advocate for the Government to waste time on this, even if it wasn't a recipe for destroying women's legal rights in the guise of progressivism. It's like lobbying Nero to play better tunes, while the heat and smoke from the flames keeps creeping closer.

Really laying it on thick aren’t they? Peoples lives are at stake!
No, no they’re not. Grow up and get a job.

Oh wait, sorry, I was wrong. Just noticed this bit.

This is not only invalidating, but having your own government not allow you to just exist is really painful.

I didn't realise the government was making laws against trans people existing. That's not on. Nazis etc. This is a major human rights issue. TRANS PEOPLE ARE LEGAL.

I find the idea that people are being 'invalidated' by the govt not giving them a piece of paper, really odd.

Also is the criteria for ‘living as a woman/man’ not simply changing your pronouns on utility bills?
That’s what you have to do to show you’re living as the opposite gender.
Hardly onerous... I had to prove I was married when I wanted to change my surname. Why is this different?

Because men want it and they are used to the world working for them.

Yy to massive fucking pita if you change name on marriage.

The thing is, this kind of hyperbolic and emotive drama only works at first when it has shock value. By this point its so overused that most people go straight to seeing the exaggerations and misconceptions presented in a rather tedious way, and it turns off readers rather than engages them. It's also become tediously familiar that the ( L ) gb T lobby has leapt to get something on the desk the second the new cabinet forms, in the same way it's tediously familiar that they'll mass bombard emails and phonecalls and reports.

Celebrities? Oh well, in that case let's get the law changed pronto. We can't have unhappy celebrities.

Are there any celebrities campaigning for an urgent review into the ethics of setting vulnerable gender-nonconforming kids on a path towards sterilisation and lifelong dependency on hormones? I know it's not as feel-goody as, err, the paperwork of non-binary people, but come on.

This is a gem:
"It was last updated in 2004, and was the first piece of legislation that officially recognised transgender people but, since then, the way people identify has come a long way."
Was this written by a summer intern?

Ashleigh Talbot, a transgender woman, says the current process to get legal recognition is too negative.

Ms Talbot added that for any other community to be required to prove something to a panel in order to be granted full rights would be an "absolute outrage".

Yeah, well, the point here is that no other community is concerned with creating a Legal Fiction [aka: pretence] that has such a massive impact on the rest of society.

Ms Talbot added that for any other community to be required to prove something to a panel in order to be granted full rights would be an "absolute outrage".

Try applying for citizenship.

The letter to the PM was started by Paul Martin OBE, chief executive of LGBT Foundation, who said: "We have come together to reiterate how critical these reforms are to removing the barriers that trans and non-binary people face every day.

"By introducing new legislation to allow changes to trans and non-binary people's birth certificates without a judgement panel, high fees, doctors letters and evidence, the biggest change is that their dignity and rights are respected.

"Further delays are not acceptable and will have a significant and negative impact on trans and non-binary people."

ROFL: "high fees"? £140 ?

[And it's free if you are on a low income / benefits.]

If the law is changed to make the all relevant Exceptions in the Equality Act 2010 mandatory / statutory plus it becomes statutory to provide third and separate spaces, services, advancement schemes and sports then maybe self-ID might become acceptable. The law also needs to make it very explicit that no human can ever change their natural sex and that possession of a GRC does not in any way redefine the two sexes.

Ms Talbot added that for any other community to be required to prove something to a panel in order to be granted full rights would be an "absolute outrage".

Try applying for citizenship.

Or getting Disability benefit.

This may be effective, sadly. One thing we know about our new PM is that he is not a deep nor a logical thinker. Even his allies, I think, would not claim that for him.

Ms Talbot added that for any other community to be required to prove something to a panel in order to be granted full rights would be an "absolute outrage".

What rights do transgender people not already have?

This may be effective, sadly. One thing we know about our new PM is that he is not a deep nor a logical thinker. Even his allies, I think, would not claim that for him.

True, but his strategists will be thinking about the next GE. It all depends on whether they believe this is a vote winner. Dominic Cummings, as much as I loathe his tactics, is an intelligent guy and unafraid to speak his mind. If they have any sense, they will let Labour own this issue, since Corbyn has already declared himself for self-id.

It's going to sound like a winner to Johnson. It's well crafted to appeal to the Conservative instinct (bureaucracy, judgement of private lives etc etc) and I doubt he's ever applied for his own passport, applied for any of his numerous marriage licences, changed his name on marriage, had a DBS check for work/volunteering (or the much more onerous precursor to it which took for bloody ever), applied for a job with an application form, applied for probate after a relative dies, gone in front of an adoption panel, applied for a benefit, had a formal appraisal or professional revalidation, applied for an EHCP for a child with additional needs or any of the other numerous bureaucratic processes we all go through because we're ordinary people in a complex developed society. He might have applied for his own driving license I guess.

But imo he's probably fairly GC at bottom. He needs to know it's a vote loser with substantial groups.

He'll do whatever Dominic Cummings tells him to do - he's the one who needs convincing about the effect on the female vote.

Ms Talbot added that for any other community to be required to prove something to a panel in order to be granted full rights would be an "absolute outrage".

Try applying for citizenship.

Or getting Disability benefit

Or becoming a parent by adoption, or a foster career.

How about opening a bank account if you have just arrived in the UK?

Or getting an Education and Health Care Plan.

Good grief, these people just have no idea how fucking privileged they are.

these people just have no idea how fucking privileged they are.

It's patriarchy innit ... the domain of control by white men.

True, jacky, but the utter lack of awareness of anything beyond the end of their noses never ceases to shock me.

Ms Talbot added that for any other community to be required to prove something to a panel in order to be granted full rights would be an "absolute outrage".

Try applying for citizenship.
Or getting Disability benefit
Or becoming a parent by adoption, or a foster career.
How about opening a bank account if you have just arrived in the UK?
Or getting an Education and Health Care Plan.

Or applying for asylum/refugee status.

The Tory govt have tried to send lesbian and gay people back to countries where they are in danger because homosexuality is illegal, telling them to be discreet. I also note that (sorry, Pink Penis News link) Lesbians and Gays Support The Migrants and other LGBTQwerty groups that assist people of colour, doing vital work to help some genuinely oppressed people, were stopped from marching at Pride in London. Yet the outrage from white males is that the State makes them fill in forms correctly.

In fact, it's very obvious now just who Pride is for: white males. Some in dresses, some dressed as puppies, some dressed as little girls, some in rubber and leather, some in nappies, but all stealing Pride from lesbians, gays, and bisexuals to legitimise their fetishes and force bystanders to take part.

It's going to sound like a winner to Johnson. It's well crafted to appeal to the Conservative instinct (bureaucracy, judgement of private lives etc etc)

Yeah, the temptation to give the death blow to the 'Women' part of the Equalities Office might prove too great. The Cons hate it.

Good grief, these people just have no idea how fucking privileged they are.

Indeed they do not.

Or perhaps they do and that is exactly what they hate.

I'm never quite sure whether it is ignorance or some warped kind of jealousy.