New PM, TRAs getting their group letter in early

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The BBC write that LGBT groups and celebrities call for gender law reform.

Thinking FPFW, WPUK, and Resisters should get a letter in too, co-signed by shelter staff and similar professionally-interested parties

This is not only invalidating, but having your own government not allow you to just exist is really painful.

I didn't realise the government was making laws against trans people existing. That's not on. Nazis etc. This is a major human rights issue. TRANS PEOPLE ARE LEGAL.

So what, pray tell, is the Govt doing to disallow non-binary people from "just existing"? Are enbies being ghettoised? Sent to prison camps? Gassed? "Disappeared"? Are enbies denied the vote, or health care, or driving licences? Are enbies being deported or stripped of citizenship?

No: they are not being allowed to replace their SEX marker on Govt-issued documents with made-up nonsense.

Dominic Cummings is married to Mary Wakefield, something (associate/deputy - apologies don’t know the meanings of these titles) editor of the Spectator. I don’t know whether they discuss these things, it may be irrelevant, but she’s probably aware of the issue.

Personally I think Brexit will still dominate and I doubt Johnson will prioritise something like this.

I think the tide is turning-politicians are realising the very real danger to women, self ID poses....many of us are asking our MPs to repeal the GRA-it no longer serves a purpose-same sex marriage is legal. Predators have and will abuse any chance of men accessing womens spaces. Jeremy Corbyn stated TWAW and lost many women voters-this is such an important issue and we women will not shut up about it!

So what, pray tell, is the Govt doing to disallow non-binary people from "just existing"?

Given you've quoted my sarcasm maybe I need to point out that it was sarcasm? Or were you just joining in? It is of course a completely ridiculous claim. And it's in very fucking poor taste that they use that kind of language, as if there's some kind of eliminationist fascist clampdown happening on "enbies" because they can't have an X on their driving license.

People with disabilities in this country can legitimately and genuinely claim that they are "not allowed to just exist." The comparison between what is happening to actually marginalised groups and the melodramatic whining of these privileged up-themselves wankers is... instructive. They love to appropriate genuine oppression and it's disgusting.

Wouldn't it be great if people didn't believe the government has the power to validate their identity.

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I saw a link to a petition, from the Safe Schools Alliance FB page:

Inquiry into the influence of lobby groups on policies about sex and gender

Yeah, the temptation to give the death blow to the 'Women' part of the Equalities Office might prove too great. The Cons hate it.

They'll change their tune when it starts affecting their wives and daughters, when a lawsuit forces their DD's private school to accept male-bodied transgirls. Problem is, it will take "their" women being affected for them to care.

All men view women as property: social conservative men see us as private property of our husbands and fathers (hence "giving away" custom during weddings); social "liberal" men see us as public property of any man who wants to help himself (hence erosion of safe spaces, cotton ceiling because how dare lesbians reject penises, and support of pornstitution).

allmywhat Yeah, I picked up your sarcasm ball and ran with it.

People with disabilities in this country can legitimately and genuinely claim that they are "not allowed to just exist."

Likewise, refugees, Roma and traveller people, and, increasingly, women and girls. When eight year old girls are refusing to drink all day at school, risking dehydration and UTIs, because they have already been subjected to sexual harassment in the mixed school toilets and the school won't do anything, we can confidently state that Govt agencies (for what is a State school?) are not letting women and girls "just exist".

Interesting thread on the organiser of that letter:

twitter.com/BillBaggins96/status/1155913538713661442?s=19

Ben Hunte reports on a new letter sent by "LGBT groups and celebrities" to the new PM calling for GRA reform to be speeded up. The letter has been organised by Paul Martin OBE, a man with a large beard who heads the LGBT Foundation in Manchester. (1)
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Paul is pretty adamant that he wants any kind of gatekeeping removed; he is particularly dismissive of the need for "evidence" that the current gender change process demands. The only thing that matters to Paul is the "dignity and rights of trans people". (2) t.co/MX9dggYD7H

You'd think Paul might be a tad more cautious, given that his organisation has close links with "Transforum" - the trans support group in Manchester that was once frequented by Karen White. (3)https://t.co/MV0xh7mtvp

White made quite an impression on the people running Transforum. Here's Jenny-Anne Bishop (another OBE), chair of Transforum, talking to the Guardian after the White scandal came to light. (4) t.co/o4dCS6gNh1

Martin must know all this. He must know that even trans support groups doubted White's trans credentials, and saw White as a violent danger to others. But this doesn't stop Martin supporting a complete free-for-all on legal gender change. (5)

The point I'm coming to is this. The great failing of the trans lobby has always been that it is obsessed with its own interests and doesn't give a damn about anybody else's. I actually think this is not a wise strategy for them now. (6)

There are certain yardsticks now that most sensible people have. Most people don't think a male rapist, who can't even convince a well-meaning and probably quite gullible trans group that they are really trans, should be anywhere near a women's prison. (7)

Almost everybody who has heard of the Yaniv case doesn't think women should be forced to accept physically male people as women in all situations. This seems quite clear. If the trans lobby had any sense at all, they'd realise the game is up and start putting a bit more (8)

effort into thinking how they can help trans people without compromising women's safety, privacy and dignity. We know what will happen under self-id, as it's already happened. The people behind this letter know this, but choose to ignore it. It won't work any more. (9)

Just think how much could have been achieved for trans people over the last five years - better health care, kinder operation of the GRA etc etc - if they hadn't been so obsessed with attacking women's rights. Nobody has been served well by this. (10)

Hopefully this letter will get short-shrift, I don’t think the Tories are going to capitulate to the TRAs, and they have outspoken gender critical MPs in their ranks.

“It's an extremely bureaucratic process," said Ms Talbot.
"You have to gather years of evidence from employment records, identity documents and bank statements, and send all of that information to a panel who you don't actually meet.”

I was thinking about this today. They really are overegging it.
It’s literally the same as when women change their names after marriage, you change it with utilities, banks etc. Then after 2 years they send copies of documents.
It’s actually fuck all effort.

However, I wonder if these men have ever actually done anything like this? It’s ‘wifework’ and they’re probably used to mummy or their partner doing all the paperwork so things just magically appear for them. Now they have to do this one thing for themselves and they turn into Kevin the teenager because it actually takes a tiny bit of effort on their part!

It's in the service of TWAW.

If you're just acknowledging something that's always been true, then NBD, right? Like getting a parking permit or something.

The fact that legally changing sex is a denial of history and reality which will never be a complete process because it's impossible, makes it a bit trickier to get done.

If they want a list of LGBT+ celebs (and non-celebs) with something to say about this issue, they could do worse than look at that petition that respectfully asks Stonewall to reconsider their stance. I think it's nearly at 9k by now.

(If you want to find the petition, I don't think we're allowed to link, but it's called "Please join us in asking Stonewall to reconsider its approach to transgender policy", and the signers include people who were prominent in Stonewall at Stonewall's founding.)