Daily mail article - Parents are encouraging children as young as three to change gender without consulting specialists, experts warn

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7258767/Parents-encouraging-children-young-three-change-gender-without-consulting-specialists.html

The NHS's top psychologist for transgender children warned yesterday of a major increase in the trend, saying parents are researching the subject online and taking advice from internet forums and transgender lobby groups.

The warning comes as the latest figures show the number of referrals to England's only specialist clinic for children has almost doubled in four years.

Last year 2,590 children were referred to the Gender Identity Development Service. Ten were aged three and four, and dozens more were of primary school age.

Three and four year olds. Wtf.

Many 'socially transition' at a younger age – but Dr Wren warned that doing so prior to puberty can lead to problems when the child is hit by a 'wall of reality' as their body starts to change.

She said: 'We think that is setting up problems for later. There is no magic solution.

'Some families think the social transition means it is all going to be fine, but it is much more complicated.

'We are anxious that there's some magical thinking that they won't really go through puberty. I'm not condemning these parents, but I think there's much more to learn.'

Dr Polly Carmichael, director of the Gender Identity Development Service, added: 'There are some families where they will talk about it being a hate crime if you get the pronoun wrong with a very young child who has made a social transition.

'There are internet forums where parents talk and, if a parent has a good experience of something, other parents will follow. Parents do want the best for their kids.'

A transgender four year old is like a vegan cat.

So true and it's ridiculous. Dd wanted to play fetch today with me throwing a toy for her, no that does not mean she has a pup/furry fetish it means she's a child having fun and exploring through play.

Perhaps this is more important than we realise? The Tavistock are recommending 'watchful waiting' - that strategy that trans lobby groups have defined as a 'transphobic policy. Maybe that the wheels are about to come off the trans juggernaut that has been allowed to target children and schools - remember all their advice about immediate affirmation, threatening little children with misgendering and telling primary schools to have assemblies to 'celebrate' a transitioning child?
This has been going on for some years and it's only recently that the general population has realised that adult groups are grooming children in schools and that some of what is happening to very young children is tantamount to abuse. I suspect we're about to see some troubling cases coming to light....

Maybe you are right truth

^www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3641792-open-letter-to-dr-polly-carmichael-from-a-former-gids-clinician^

My youngest insisted he was a girl when he was three. Dressed as Elsa, etc. He’s four now and knows he’s a boy - still has a fondness for Frozen and My Little Pony. He knows he can be a boy and like those things because I’ve told him he can.
I have two sons and can’t afford more children. I would have liked a girl as I have a brother so it’s always felt like the ‘right’ family set up - a boy and a girl. Also I’ve enjoyed the relationship I’ve had with my mum, so wanted a daughter so I could have that too. I guess you could say I had a little disappointment, but it only lasted for the duration of the day of my scan. (And then annoyance for the duration of my pregnancy when everyone said ‘don’t you wish you were having a girl? There’s more societal pressure to have girls than boys these days in the UK, I think.)

I think your experience may be quite common Nuffaluff? What is so tragic is the number of children - especially girls - who hit their teenage years and appear to be so horrified at what society has in store for them as women that they immediately decide that they must be men. And of course, nobody is allowed to explore that with them as that's 'transphobic ' and 'conversion therapy'. We are selling these children short - and that seems to be what the experts are moving towards stating. Here's hoping that the Tavistock has the strength to stand up for the rights and needs of children in the face of some serious intimidation and bullying coming their way.

The Daily Mail? With all due respect I may as well get my news from The Onion.

Even the latest version of Microsoft Internet Explorer (now called Edge) warns visitors to the Daily Mail website that the content is not credible.

www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jan/23/dont-trust-daily-mail-website-microsoft-browser-warns-users

Nuffaluff the way I see it, when a baby is born the sex shouldn't matter one bit. All that matters is after giving birth the baby and the mother are both healthy.

The Daily Mail? With all due respect I may as well get my news from The Onion.

Then you go on to post a link to the guardian 😂

Remember when the guardian spent loads of money on the rights to publish Hitler's diaries only to find out they were a series of fictional stories?😂

Waitrose loyalty card holders get a free coffee and Guardian daily. So if it's good enough for Waitrose it's good enough for me.

sips coffee and peers at you all over my Guardian

Or was it the times?

😂 the guardian is full of misinformation.

I used to read all of the papers, as I was a newsagent, from the star right up to the FT, they were all crap, all pandered to advertiser and all of them had their own agenda's.

The one for kids, first news was probably the most balanced.🤣

My 2 year old dd has insisted she's a boy called james for about a fortnight now ( we have been reading and watching a lot of Thomas the tank engine) and I think the name just struck her as nice. I can't imagine for a minute making any decision on her future based on her whims at this age.

This really bothers me because my sister would undoubtedly be labelled trans if she was growing up now rather than 30 years ago. She would say- openly say the words- “when I grow up I want to be a boy” and “I feel like I’m a boy”.... she even used to point to her genitals when we were in the bath and say “this is where my willy will grow when I’m a boy” from the time that she was very small, 2 or 3. My parents just laughed, said “you know you can’t be a boy” and ignored it. She grew up as a total tom boy, all male friends, playing football, dressing in traditionally male clothes etc.... now she’s a straight, “traditional” female who still mainly has male friends and likes football but is in no way transsexual. She got to puberty and basically grew out of what was clearly a Tom boy phase. It terrifies me that now she would have potentially been put on hormone blockers and we would have all been having to call her Robert.

Then you go on to post a link to the guardian.

Well precisely. The Guardian is misogyny central these days and has zero credibility on these issues with me.

The only papers currently addressing the problems with trans ideology are the Times and the Daily Mail.

As a parent of a boy who loves dressing in princss outfits and such, this approach terrifies me. I don't understand it at all. I just..let him wear what he wants, him liking feminine stuff does not mean hes actually a girl for fucks sake.

Also the screenshots of people maning about GIDS speaking in the media being bad for transkids? Bullshit. They just realise that sunlight changes everything, and wish to continue operating in the shadows, as tats got thm a lot of 'progress' for their cause so far

I love the fact that certain posters are criticising the DM while reading the Grubian, as if that’s an neutral news source.

The Daily Mail? With all due respect I may as well get my news from The Onion.

Do we have to go through this shit every time?

If the Daily Mail is wrong, tell us why it is wrong, don’t dismiss it just because it is the Daily Mail.

The Daily Mail? With all due respect I may as well get my news from The Onion.

The Guardian? With all due respect I may as well get my news from Pink News.

Fixed that for you.

Idly wonders whether tracyracer was one of those who complained when the Mail took on the killers of Stephen Lawrence?

Waitrose loyalty card holders get a free coffee and Guardian Times, Mail or Sun daily. So if it's good enough for Waitrose it's good enough for me.

This blog piece by a psychologist picks up on some of the things people have said in this thread. She talks about how psychologists have known for a long time that young children often think that you change sex if you change clothes - sex constancy develops later. It's by Katie Alcock, based on a talk she gave at an event organised by For Women Lancashire. It's worth a read.

medium.com/@katieja/young-children-reality-sex-and-gender-3421f4f165f1