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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

It never happens. Ever.

100 replies

Alltheprettyseahorses · 16/07/2019 08:09

I bet everyone can see the massive twist coming:

www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/sheffield-woman-found-with-over-1000-indecent-images-of-children-hauled-before-the-court-477960

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LangCleg · 16/07/2019 14:19

GirlDownUnder - in my view, possession of Cat A images should receive a mandatory - and lengthy - prison sentence.

GirlDownUnder · 16/07/2019 14:24

His legal name is Anthony, even the article admits as much. No need to call him Toni.

I get that Alessandra, I was making a point re stunning and brave and that now as a transwoman being 'safe' for children.

It galls me to.

GirlDownUnder · 16/07/2019 14:26

Lang would that you were the judge. And I know you'd put him in a male prison too.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 16/07/2019 14:32

I believe they are chemically castrating men in - is it Alabama - for paedophilia.

My mum used to have a similar suggestion but it involved rusty scythe.

AlessandraAsteriti · 16/07/2019 14:34

@GirlDownUnder Agreed, but we should refuse to use female name completely for these people. It is no different than a pedophile pretending he is a child to approach children online. Which judge who dare keep up that pretense? Who would refer to them by that age? No-one. How is this any different? He is pretending to be a woman. And the judge, the lawyers, and the media, are colluding in this identity fraud.

LangCleg · 16/07/2019 15:02

AlessandraAsteriti - I would recommend that you read the special restrictions placed on the feminist board here at MN. You can find them below:

www.mumsnet.com/info/trans-rights-moderation-policy

Most of us have found our own ways of working within these restrictions - because the board is constantly monitored and the reporting system hijacked by those who would prefer to see it closed. Deletions are frequent and suspensions and threats of suspension are not rare. GirlDownUnder has been here a long time, had plenty of moments in the firing line, and has found her own way of posting.

You're teaching her to suck eggs. She's been there, seen it, and got a dozen t-shirts already.

AlessandraAsteriti · 16/07/2019 15:15

@LangCleg
When the newspaper itself says the legal name is Anthony I think we are on safe grounds!

Haworthia · 16/07/2019 15:18

I’d be amazed if this person gets jailed. I used to know someone who had over 30,000 images and they got off scot free (because the majority of the images were the lowest category - like that’s somehow OK). A thousand images is paltry in comparison.

RosaWaiting · 16/07/2019 15:29

if you look up sentencing for this sort of crime, it is pretty pathetic.

GirlDownUnder · 16/07/2019 15:38

Lang BlushSmile Thanks. I'm a little surprised at being recognised cos I still feel like I'm wearing my training wheels.

Once you come out of lurking it's kinda hard to get back in the box, although the monitors do try hard.

GirlDownUnder · 16/07/2019 15:41

When the newspaper itself says the legal name is Anthony I think we are on safe grounds!

MN have on occasion deleted posts that contain links to sources that break MN rules on misgendering, dead naming, and the use of some acronyms.

Not always, but we only get 3 deletions over 6 weeks on this forum before a total ban. It's a fine (and frustrating) line.

onedayiwillmissthis · 16/07/2019 15:48

So fed up with this shit Angry

Includes pic of the perv

newsitn.com/toni-prince-sheffield-the-uk-ireland-database/

LangCleg · 16/07/2019 16:37

When the newspaper itself says the legal name is Anthony I think we are on safe grounds!

Don't say I didn't warn you. Your account is no safer from swamping and malicious reporting on here than your Twitter account was. Jus' sayin'.

AltogetherAndrews · 16/07/2019 17:48

I work in this field

In my experience, a judge would always apologise for a 3 year delay in conviction, to anyone, convicted of any crime. The Court has a duty to provide fair and equal justice to everyone, and 3 years with not knowing what would happen to you would be regarded as a cruel and unusual punishment. So yes, the judge should and did apologise.

But yeah, it’s a crime committed by a man, and he should be treated as a man. He should be nowhere near a female prison. Sex offender treatment is male only, but that is because there is absolutely no reliable research on how to treat a female sex offender, because they are so rare, there isn’t enough data. But this is a man, so the treatment would work. My concern is how disruptive the presence of someone in a dress and heels would be in a male group of sex offenders, who are there for treatment, however the work can be carried out on a one to one basis, and that is what we have done with transgender offenders in the past. For their safety, and the needs of the rest of the group.

Image possession offenders generally don’t go to jail, for two reasons. One, current research shows that they are generally very unlikely to commit a further offence once caught, and two, depressingly, there are so many of them, we cannot physically accommodate them in our prisons.

sakura184 · 16/07/2019 18:03

So disturbing that they're trying to make out there's an increase in this kind of crime among women.
The fact this is skewing female crime figures, gives more leverage to the anti feminist "women do it too" argument.
Makes my blood absolutely boil

LangCleg · 16/07/2019 18:15

But this is a man, so the treatment would work.

Er... the most recent big scheme had to be abandoned because it involved group therapy and they all gave each other ideas, increasing recidivism. They're currently administering anti-androgens, of which cohort almost half have transitioned.

When you say "work", what do you mean, exactly?

StopThePlanet · 16/07/2019 18:39

Prince pleaded guilty to charges including making indecent images of children; possession of prohibited images of children and possession of extreme pornographic images at an earlier hearing.

Vile, disgusting man - I can't believe they are calling him "she". Oh and it was pure torture to make him wait for 3 years for a trial... give me a fucking break what he did was torture waiting to be tried for torturing children is not torture.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 16/07/2019 19:49

"She also downloaded 53 images of ‘extreme pornography’ and 337 prohibited images of children, which the Crown Prosecution Service define as ‘non-photographic’ images".

"This includes ‘cartoons, manga and drawings"

Off-topic slightly, but I did not know that cartoon drawings of children being raped was a crime? There are a lot of males, some of whom are transgender and/or transactivists, who have cartoons on blogs or even full twitter accounts dedicated to drawings and cartoons of child rape.

I often report them to twitter, but not sure any action is taken. Should I also be reporting them to the police?

(although if you don't even get a custodial sentence for real images of child rape, then what's even the point?)

Kilbranan · 17/07/2019 09:28

It seems like part of the delay was due to the high number of images to be processed by the police. So the need for apology seems entirely inappropriate.
I agree the timing of the sudden realisation that Anthony was actually Toni is interesting indeed. And the failure to change name till after sentencing does seem like a strange coincidence
Another disgusting paedophile who’s crime will be recorded as female Angry

FermatsTheorem · 17/07/2019 09:35

Alessandra, Lang, when it comes to referring to convicted sex offenders (and Prince has been found guilty, just not sentenced yet) I always add a disclaimer to my post to say that I explicitly asked about this on a thread about Davina Ayrton (convicted rapist - with penis) and was told by Justine herself that we would not be deleted for using male pronouns for convicted sex offenders. So far, I haven't had any deletions for this approach.

Popchyk · 19/07/2019 15:57

Update.

Judge rules the delay in bringing the matter to court "unjust" so Anthony gets no prison time.

"When there has been, as there clearly has been here, an unjust delay which is not in any way, shape or form your fault, I’m bound by the law to take it into account, and I do so,” he told the defendant".

www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/sex-offender-spared-jail-following-unjust-delay-by-police-in-sheffield-485493

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/07/2019 16:19

Was it the abused children’s fault there was a delay?

Popchyk · 19/07/2019 16:39

Another male is guilty of assault.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/925838/movie-fan-called-katniss-everdeen-admits-assault-at-fife-train-station/

This person is identifying as female and going by the name Katniss Everdeen now. This person is 48.

"Her solicitor Graham Inch said Everdeen had mental health issues and a personality disorder".

You don't say.

It never happens. Ever.
LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/07/2019 16:43

Well the comments under the piece pull no punches.

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