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Alltheprettyseahorses · 16/07/2019 08:09

I bet everyone can see the massive twist coming:

www.thestar.co.uk/news/crime/sheffield-woman-found-with-over-1000-indecent-images-of-children-hauled-before-the-court-477960

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GirlDownUnder · 16/07/2019 09:15

Kat don't give them ideas Better not send him down at all then seems not too far to where we're going - sad, fucked up world.

We need some good news soon.

ProbablyShouldntbut · 16/07/2019 09:21

Is there any indication of when Anthony went from Mr to Ms?

I can't shake the feeling that it might be post arrest.

RosaWaiting · 16/07/2019 12:28

I can't read this because of ad blocker but I can't think of any reason why a judge would apologise to a defendant for a delay after they've been found guilty.

Lumene · 16/07/2019 12:31

Does the paper even mention this was actually a man?

Popchyk · 16/07/2019 12:47

Sheffield woman found with over 1,000 indecent images of children hauled before the court

A Sheffield woman has been hauled before the city’s Crown Court after she admitted to possessing over 1,100 indecent images of children, some of which involved kids as young as five.

South Yorkshire Police (SYP) raided the home of Toni Prince, 55, after receiving intelligence which suggested she had been downloading indecent images of children.

Officers seized two laptops and a mobile phone from the home of Prince, a transgender woman whose legal forename is Anthony.

Prosecutor, Carl Fitch, told Sheffield Crown Court that Prince, of Infirmary Road, Upperthorpe was interviewed by police shortly after the raid and made ‘full and frank admissions’.

She said she had downloaded indecent images of children. She told police she had been the victim of a catalogue of abuse when she was a young child living in Leicester,” said Mr Fitch.

Mr Fitch told the court that despite Prince’s ‘early’ and continued co-operation with police following the raid in June 2016, the force did not complete the analysis of her electronic devices until August 2018.

Addressing Judge Peter Kelson QC, Mr Fitch said: “As Your Honour will know, indecent image cases take a long time to process.”

Analysis revealed Prince had downloaded a total of 1,191 indecent images of children, whose ages ranged between five and 13-years-old.

In total, Prince downloaded 108 Category A images – the most serious legal category, defined as content which shows children being raped, as well as 90 Category B images and 993 Category C images.

She also downloaded 53 images of ‘extreme pornography’ and 337 prohibited images of children, which the Crown Prosecution Service define as ‘non-photographic’ images.

This includes ‘cartoons, manga and drawings’.

Prince pleaded guilty to charges including making indecent images of children; possession of prohibited images of children and possession of extreme pornographic images at an earlier hearing.

Under the law, 'making' an indecent image can refer to the 'opening, accessing, downloading and storing of online content'.

Ian Goldsack, defending, referred Judge Kelson to a series of letters that had been submitted to the court on Prince’s behalf from a number of different specialists, whose contact with Prince ‘both pre and post-date the indictment period’ and make reference to the abuse she suffered as a child.

He added: “If there is a virtue to the gap in time, it’s probably that she has been able to demonstrate her determination to do something about what led to her offending in the first place.

“She describes it as almost impulsive and obsessive behaviour that would manifest at times when her mental health was at the fore and she was struggling.”

Judge Kelson said he regarded the three-year wait Prince had endured for her case to come to court as ‘torture’.

After requesting legal guidance from Mr Goldsack on whether a defendant whose case has taken years to come to court should have their custodial sentence ‘minimised or suspended,’ Judge Kelson told the court he would adjourn the rest of the sentencing hearing until Friday, July 19.

He said: “The difficulty I have is this case is well past the custody threshold and suspect that had it come to court within six months, the defence would have come into difficulty in suggesting the custodial sentence should be suspended.”

Judge Kelson told Mr Fitch he would like to receive a letter from SYP’s chief constable, Stephen Watson, by Friday to explain why it had taken over two years for the force to analyse Prince’s devices – even after she admitted to her crimes in police interview.

As he released Prince on bail until Friday’s hearing, Judge Kelson told her: “Ms Prince, you have been subject to shocking delays, and I’m now creating a further four-day delay before sentencing you, but I need more help. Your offences are very serious, you know that...if I had sentenced you today, I would have sent you to prison...I’m not threatening you, and I’m not saying what your sentence will be on Friday.

“I know this is four more difficult days for you, but I hope you understand why I’m doing this.”

AlessandraAsteriti · 16/07/2019 13:00

Aaaand submitted a complaint to the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office against Judge Kelson. If even article states that legal name is Anthony it means this guy is not a woman in any legal way, so recording him as a woman is a lie.

Annasgirl · 16/07/2019 13:02

I copied my post from the other thread - but I'm still furious!!!

Well I'm furious over this - I worked in publishing, who in the name of God, thought it was OK for a sub editor to say this was a woman????? I honestly had this weird picture in my head of a woman with loads and loads of child porn photos on a computer in a dingy little house with a really old computer - even I didn't get it until I opened your post, then before even clicking, my brain clicked into gear and I realised this was not a woman. OK ladies, this is the end, where do we campaign for proper descriptions for crimes????

Lumene · 16/07/2019 13:02

Thanks Pop

JackyHolyoake · 16/07/2019 13:04

Where a GRC does not exist, UK case law has determined the legal comparator for this male is other males. [That is, the legal comparator is with those of the sex being transitioned from and not the sex aspired to.]

Croft V Royal Mail Group Plc 2003 [paras 70 onward]

www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5b46f1fa2c94e0775e7ef4e3

and subsequently relied upon in this case from 2013 [paras 63 - 68]:

www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5a8ff7bb60d03e7f57eb1a1f

drspouse · 16/07/2019 13:08

I'm assuming this person magically found out they are a woman while on remand?

Chickenish · 16/07/2019 13:10

The article says his legal name is Anthony. I’m so pissed off with this shit. HE IS A MAN. DON’T USE “SHE” FOR HIM IN YOUR ARTICLE. Ahem, as you were.

Waits for deletion. A paedophile, for effin’ sake!

barelove · 16/07/2019 13:19

Is there any indication of when Anthony went from Mr to Ms

There's no way this vile piece of shit man went from Mr to Ms. It would most definitely have been to Miss.

Popchyk · 16/07/2019 13:22

Seems to have been active on Twitter as Tony Prince until 28 June 2016.

twitter.com/TonyPri81736202

The same month and year that he was arrested.

Enter brave and stunning Toni.

littlbrowndog · 16/07/2019 13:26

How come the judge is saying it must have been torture for the admitted paedophile.

It must have been torture for the children who were sexually abused.

Why the sympathy expressed for this criminal and why being reported as a woman

JackyHolyoake · 16/07/2019 13:26

What is the legal definition of ‘woman’?

According to the Equality Act 2010, section 212, the legal definition of woman = a female of any age

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/212

ThatCurlyGirl · 16/07/2019 13:27

Oh my god that apology from the judge has turned my stomach. Fucks sake, would he say that to a bloke who did the same? Maybe I'm unreasonable or out of touch but I really can't see that he would, there would be uproar. Equality is equality not special treatment. Fucking hell.

JackyHolyoake · 16/07/2019 13:34

I think we need some of our women lawyers to tackle the Justice system on our behalf because this is becoming more and more ridiculous. Although, no-one reading that story can doubt that the offender is a man, which doesn't help the anti-woman activists one bit; it just makes them look ridiculous.

barelove · 16/07/2019 13:34

AlessandraAsteriti

Great letter. It would be hard to ignore if we all wrote letters like this to every newspaper, sports body, school, politician, gym, cafe, whatever, that changes what they write, the facilities they offer, the curriculum they teach.... to pander to the wishes of the minuscule minority of men who want to be accepted as being women over the needs of the millions of actual female bodied women (women ffs). Our voices need to be heard far and wide.

Popchyk · 16/07/2019 13:44

The word "torture" is just so badly chosen, given the subject matter.

No doubt that Toni will escape prison.

Because Toni, like this person, is "literally a different person" now.

Mirror Link

This is the case of Gareth/Gina Owen who sexually abused a 13 year old boy over a 6 month period. Owen was a taxi driver for children with additional needs and abused the boy in the taxi.

"Patrick Mason, who was defending Owen, said the offences had occurred just before she began her gender reassignment and she had been in a "difficult, sad" place.

He added: "She was literally a different person when she committed these offences."

"Shockingly the Crown Court judge in her case said he had difficulty sentencing her - because courses designed to help sex offenders reform were only available to men".

So Owen walked free.

OldCrone · 16/07/2019 13:49

Does anyone know if these self-ID cases are recorded as female or male crimes for statistical purposes?

AlessandraAsteriti · 16/07/2019 13:55

In Scotland it seems they have been recorded with their preferred gender since 2009. This is of course appalling, and not legal. Please people, especially those living in UK (I am now in Germany) start complaining, and writing letters to all involved. I just submitted a complaint against Judge Kelsen. In the name of all the victims of these monsters, we need to speak up. In fact, we need to scream

GirlDownUnder · 16/07/2019 14:10

Analysis revealed Prince had downloaded a total of 1,191 indecent images of children, whose ages ranged between five and 13-years-old.

In total, Prince downloaded 108 Category A images – the most serious legal category, defined as content which shows children being raped, as well as 90 Category B images and 993 Category C images.

It's taken so long to write this because there just aren't the words to convey how truely horrifying this case is. And of course, there's also the special mod rules.

If this person walks, not only are all those children failed, but the officers who had to sit and view those images will also be failed. I can't imagine what their job is like.

And those children - have they all been found? Are they safe? Has Toni helped in the arrests of other paedophiles? Are they expecting a paedophile to stop? Or now that Toni is stunning and brave is that enough to make Toni safe for children.

AlessandraAsteriti · 16/07/2019 14:12

@GirlDownUnder His legal name is Anthony, even the article admits as much. No need to call him Toni.

Popchyk · 16/07/2019 14:14

Presumably this crime will be counted as a female crime for that's how he now identifies. Despite keeping the name Anthony.

So the arrest will be recorded as male (because he was not identifying as transgender at that time) and the conviction will be recorded as female.

So Anthony Price (for that is his legal name), female (for that is his preferred gender) will be convicted. Doesn't matter if Anthony Price has a GRC or not, preferred gender is what matters at time of sentencing. Also Toni is used throughout the sentencing because that is his preferred name, not his legal name. Seems like a mess.

My suspicious mind leads me to think that he hasn't changed his legal name yet (despite having plenty of time to do so) so that this current conviction goes under the old name of Anthony Price.

Once that is safely out of the way, then change your name again to, say, Tiffany Turner, and you don't have a criminal conviction in that new name.

Because you are literally a different person.

LangCleg · 16/07/2019 14:17

The same month and year that he was arrested.

Enter brave and stunning Toni.

If this is the same person, someone in authority needs to fucking step in. Right fucking now.

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