Netball is a gender-affected sport. Any others?

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Reading the trans inclusion policy for England Netball and transwomen are welcome to train and play in friendly matches but not to compete in domestic competition unless they have had a gonadectomy or taken hormones and have t in a required range.

Why don't all sports do this?

Meant to add they say that netball is defined as a 'gender affected sport'. Who defines that and how?

It’s a bit of a slippery slope from play/train to competing though. A trans person might legitimately ask why they are allowed to do one thing and not the other.

I think they should either play in their biological sex category or there should be a separate trans category.

A trans person might legitimately ask why they are allowed to do one thing and not the other

They might ask but the rules are there.

Fencing:

city-press.news24.com/News/athletes-come-out-in-support-of-transgender-fencer-20190706

Height matters in netball. Having a gonadectomy does not make a man shorter. Nor does suppressing testosterone reduce a range of other physical attributes (twitch muscles etc) to female levels.

I think everyone agrees that a line needs to be drawn somewhere, or there is no female sports. The clearest and most sensible place to draw it is with sex.

Please don't let them invade netball.

I can't see what difference any surgery makes. If someone has gone through male puberty they will have male advantages.

No men in netball ever! It's ours! #adult human females!

Height matters in netball. Having a gonadectomy does not make a man shorter. Nor does suppressing testosterone reduce a range of other physical attributes (twitch muscles etc) to female levels.

^^ This. It doesn't remove the relatively unfair advantages even if the comparator is to naturally tall women. (Larger hands and easier ball handling; longer arms for defence etc.)

Yeah, a gonadectomy isn't going to remove all the dozens of other advantages that transwomen will have over women in netball by virtue of them being male. So I don't think that's good enough, unfortunately.

They need to just say a flat no to them competing in the women's category.

Or start an option for men too.

The UK Rowing Olympic people are so streamlined with their training that a few years ago they basically places some newspaper ads that said:

Are you really tall? The sort that your mates call a giant or beanpole? Come along and try out for rowing.

Because rowing favours long bodies, long limbs - and yes, some of our current medallists came through that path, and the shift in the height profile of the women is notable. You can train as hard as you like but if you're a short rower it's increasingly implausible that you'd achieve elite status.

I wonder how long it will be before rowing and other sports where longer bodies are key to success are captured in the same way if the various sporting bodies don't revise their criteria?

So why are English Netball allowed to say that netball is a gender-affected sport but football or athletics aren't?

And if the argument is height, why are 6.2 females allowed to play?

None of this makes any logical sense at all.

A six foot two woman is allowed to play netball because she is a woman.

So England Netball must be making other assumptions when they state that netball is a gender affected sport. It cannot just be height. My question is if it is ok for England Netball to do this, why is not ok for other sports - FA I am looking at you.

What I would like, more than anything with this debate with sport, is for all the sporting organisations to say to trans activists:

“You need to definitively prove to us, through rigorous academic research that males DO NOT have any advantages over females. It is not up to us to prove they do, because the whole fucking world knows it it’s up to you to prove they don’t. If you do that, we will welcome you with open arms. So off you go, get researching, sign people up for studies, publish it and we will talk again in about 100 years. Until then, leave us alone just fuck off.”

I believe they are doing that at the moment through research at Loughborough. There is no way the research will confirm what we already know as there is too much money invested in it.

I’ve been looking at sports governing bodies in Scotland and in general the trans advice is a mess. Stuff about gonadectomies I would guess is illegal. Surgery is not necessary to gain a GRC. They have mad criteria based on levels of testosterone, based on nothing as far as I can see, and testing for it, which, in amateur sport, I can’t see how they have the authority to demand. Different criteria for pubertal children and pre-pubertal children etc etc
There’s a whole random mix about what they mean by trans, with polygender mentioned in a case.
I think Scottish Hockey have been trained by Gender Intell
They read to me that they’ve been done in a panic, feeling they have to do something but have not a clue what they’re doing. I don’t see how they’ve considered them along with their child protection and safeguarding policies, most of which seem thorough and well put together (not an expert).
Reckon if we could produce something like transgender trend did for schools, they might well listen.

This is what a gender affected sport is fairplayforwomen.com/sport_policy/

Oops sorry to break it to all the no men in netball posters. But at DS2 high school (male single sex) they have netball as a sport option. It's my understanding they field a mixed sex team in conjunction with their sister school. I can't say much more as my son switches between baseball on season and rock climbing (also mix sexed) off season.

Yes this is in Australia. We love our netball here. I played off and on until my early 30's.

I have absolutely no problem with mixed sex netball - why would i, my dd plays mixed sex football, as long as the teams or competitions are mixed sex teams and competitions, and women's teams and men's teams are separate.

Oh yes I agree. I'm happy too that it is acknowledged as mixed sex.

Men in UK much more likely to play Nets (cage netball on an urban tennis court) which can be male, female or mixed.

PS: Men invented the bounce-pass and the dive-pass.

No issue with mixed sex teams at all. When I said no men in netball I meant 'those men'.....

Men’s netball = basketball no?