This isn't true, is it?

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I've never before known anyone claim that men's toilets are cleaner than women's!

From experience cleaning toilets (in hospitals, factories, offices), I'd say there's little difference in terms of cleanliness.

The men's smell worse though, their urine is much stronger than ours, hence Kew Gardens only asking their male employees to piss on straw bales for composting.

One exception to general cleanliness though was toilets in theatre. Surgeons are bogging bastards.

As an ex-cleaner looking at you, government offices in Liverpool, yes, very much so.

Having cleaned pubs and restaurants, the men's smell worse but are much cleaner, women's are much worse - tissue everywhere, unflushed toilets, abandoned tights and underwear, debris from sanitary products, taps left on.

Really??? I cleaned hostel toilets years ago in exchange for free accommodation and the mens' were vile

Oh hell yes it's true. Having cleaned nightclubs and bars :

Mens toilet: The urinals smell, sometimes they don't flush and there's a bit of pee on the floor.

Womens toilet: Toilet paper literally everywhere, broken makeup cases in the sink, lipstick kisses all over the mirror (which take foooooorrever to remove). Toilets literally never flushed for some reason too. Just utterly rank.

Maybe people saying otherwise cleaned office toilets or something but for pubs and clubs it's no contest that womens are messier.

When i cleaned toilets in a pub, the men's were dirtier.
BUT I think the ratios matter too.
In places with the same floor space for men and women, the men will have more facilities (urinals take less space) and generally use the cubicles less.
They will not use the cubicles for pissing in.

The woman to cubical ratio will be higher, and women often use toilets for things men don't. So in that situation I would expect the women's loos to be worse even if men and women were completely equal in terms of cleanliness.

A situation that would not be helped by making the female loos unisex (when urinals are removed, men make much more of a mess of cubicles - piss on seat etc).
Would be even worse if women's loos became unisex, and men's stayed male which is often the case when converting existing facilities.

I have heard some people complain of worse women's toilets, so I think it can happen. I've been in some pretty nasty women's ones too, sanitary napkins thrown around, or once a sweatshirt in the only toilet and people kept peeing in it. Very gross.

Attraction here, the men used to piss in the vague direction of the urinals, yellow walls and yellow floors

Sometimes the bad smell from men's toilets is the old fashioned urinal pucks. I don't know what was in them but they made me want to puke when I was pregnant.

Both can be bogging, but generally womens' were better. I used to clean toilets in a pub. Tampons smeared over a wall, once. Vomit and all sorts in the gents, dear god, what a horror that all was ...

I think use matters. Women are more likely to have children with them and as PP have pointed out the use per stall ratio will be higher in women's toilets.

Doesn't excuse any minging behaviour mind.

Men are definitely cleaner than women in that department. Women are absolutely gross in the toilet department, I actually dread doing toilet checks in the ladies.

Is it because there aren't enough of them? The men don't ever use the cubicles unless having a poo. But the women have to use them for absolutely everything.

They will suffer from wear and tear far quicker, broken flushes etc. The sanitary disposal facilities are often inadequate and the cubicles aren't built to properly accommodate them, in many cases.

I'm just trying to come up with reasons. I don't think women are innately messier.

And yes the men's always smell, because urinals.

I have found the biggest determiner really is other demographic factors like age.

Isn't it women use the loos more often though?

Men can just quickly go behind a bush/tree whatever.
Women have to deal with incontinence, periods, etc all in the toilet cubicle.

The amount of times I've been places where the ladies queue is massive but there's no queue in the men's.

We need more women's loos. Equality.

Totally agree that women need more toilets, not to be made to share!

Anecdotally; in my experience, men's and unisex toilets are much dirtier and generally grimmer than women's. Yes I know men deserve their single sex spaces but I have been known to dip into the men's when they are empty and there is a massive queue for the women's.

Also at work we have separate staff and student toilets. Staff toilets are unisex (for convenience; there just aren't as many staff so two cubicles each with a sink).
I am 100% happier to share space with female students than male staff. the staff toilets are boak.

I think the reason you often find women’s loos unflushed is the length of the queue. The cistern will be empty from the woman who’s just come out before you, and you don’t want to wait ages for the cistern to refill, when you’re holding up twenty desperate women in a line outside.

Good point Babdoc.

Add in poor plumbing / water pressure and it's no wonder toilets are often left unflushed.

Saw this in my local paper my granny gets people aren't happy.

Some replies edited the best I can if anyone wants to read all the replies it's on the northern echo FB.

Majority against which is heartening at least.

I regularly visited a building of medical consulting rooms. The patient/visitor toilet was also used by the consultants.

It was always clean, except one day when a man came out and vanished into the consulting room at the back, gave me a shifty look as he passed. I soon discovered the reason for the shifty look, he had pissed all over the seat and not flushed. He worked there.

I had the 'pleasure' of using the women's mixed-sex toilets at the Hammersmith Lyric recently, and the man who barged past me into the toilets commented "This is a good idea. I prefer the women's toilets - the men's always stink."

Datun a woman (never found out who) regularly left a used tampon on the windowsill above the sanitary bin.

Not unusual to find blood on the seats - this was a place with a massive loo roll dispenser that was checked hourly.
Full nappies left by the side of the hand basin or on the floor despite clearly marked bins.

All in a 'naice' area of fee paying schools, skiing holidays and expensive homes.

Well if we are going for anecdotes equaling data I might as well stick my oar in too.

I have cleaned as a job and in my experience the women's toilets were nowhere near as bad as the men's. I have many examples but I don't want to gross myself out never mind anyone else.