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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

to not want to sign off my emails with preferred pronouns?

67 replies

AlphaBites · 10/07/2019 22:13

I've been redirected here from the AIBU board.

So, we've had an email do the rounds today at work saying in the next few weeks all staff are expected to sign off with their preferred pronouns, to save any embarrassment for any staff. hmm

I don't want to.

Can I fight this somehow?

Can I add a pronoun that is PA enough to not get me sacked?

I think it's all bollocks.

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RainbowMum11 · 10/07/2019 22:14

Why would you need to do that? Surely your name is enough?

RainbowMum11 · 10/07/2019 22:16

I wouldn't ever put Miss/Mrs/Ms or She or her on my email signature, and why on earth would it save embarrassment?
We deal with people all over the world at work, so never assume a pronoun or any gender - there shouldn't really be any need to.
Is it just me, or is it all getting a bit ridiculous now?

RainbowMum11 · 10/07/2019 22:20

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a pronoun he/she/they or whatever? Why on earth would you put that on your email signature? And how would you without it looking ridiculous?
Name qualifications
Position
(Pronoun)
Mobile
Office

Wtf?

FormerMediocreMale · 10/07/2019 22:23

It's definitely getting ridiculous.

I only use my name no title. I'm getting a new badge for work with my married name on and was asked how I wanted it to appear and if I wanted a title on It, I just said put what you want I'm not fussed - my name is hard enough let alone adding in daft pronouns!

GallopingGreen · 10/07/2019 22:24

In my workplace (tech) it is strongly advised to include your pronouns in your email signature and your internal profile, I guess so as to normalise it for the sake of people who you'd be unsure of what to use. I just don't bother though as i don't want to feed into the madness... plus it's not mandatory (yet).

VaggieMight · 10/07/2019 22:26

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AlwaysComingHome · 10/07/2019 22:26

Why have we never been asked to state our positions on Brexit in our signatures?

Why never #BlackLivesMatter or #MeToo?

Nobody actually wants to know your pronouns. They want you to endorse the ideology behind their mandated use.

Why are we expected to endorse one ideology above all others?

RosaWaiting · 10/07/2019 22:29

I’d keep omitting the info

Btw what do you mean when you say you were redirected here?

ErrolTheDragon · 10/07/2019 22:36
  • We deal with people all over the world at work, so never assume a pronoun or any gender - there shouldn't really be any need to. Is it just me, or is it all getting a bit ridiculous now?*

Yes, it's ridiculous.
People in multicultural and/or multinational organisations have quietly managed for years to deal with not necessarily being able to deduce someone's sex from their name and/or titles.

OldCrone · 10/07/2019 22:46

So, we've had an email do the rounds today at work saying in the next few weeks all staff are expected to sign off with their preferred pronouns, to save any embarrassment for any staff.

Could you tell them that you'd find it embarrassing to put pronouns on your email signature? Because I would find it very embarrassing to go along with this.

In what way would it 'save embarrassment' for anyone? If you're replying to someone you'd use the pronoun 'you', anyway.

OldCrone · 10/07/2019 22:46

And yes, it is getting ridiculous.

AlphaBites · 10/07/2019 22:47

@RosaWaiting I originally posted this on the AIBU board but also told to post in here.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 10/07/2019 22:50

I think you had it right in your last sentence

I think it's ‘all bollocks’

Fraggling · 10/07/2019 22:54

But,

Women have said for years that lots of ud have discomfort with the way we are addressed...

Mrs miss ms...
Mrs hisname hissurname
Written out of legal docs in favour of the mr
Ladies...

We were told it was tradition / trivial /shuttup

And now this?

GCAcademic · 10/07/2019 22:56

Tell them that you don't wish to draw attention to your gender because studies have shown persistent unconscious bias towards women in the workplace. You're sure that as an inclusive employer which fulfils its legal obligations under the Equality Act 2010 they will not insist on forcing you to draw attention to an aspect of your identity that habitually incurs discrimination.

littlbrowndog · 10/07/2019 22:57

Sign it of abfab. That will throw them

SarahTancredi · 10/07/2019 23:00

I'd use that Mx one.

Then sign the email in a neutral name.

Ash
Ashley
Harley
Kit

Etc if theres no way to do that ti your naked then use a letter.

Many thanks
H..

Grin

That's my plan if I get roped into this nonsense

SarahTancredi · 10/07/2019 23:01

To your name

Ffs autocorrect Blush

HepzibahGreen · 10/07/2019 23:02

Yes its bad enough being a woman in a lot of industries without hammering the point home.
If i had to I would say my pronouns are "His Majesty" and "Beyonce".
That'll confuse the fuckers.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/07/2019 23:04

GCAcademic's answer is pretty much perfect, except it's a bias against women not towards them!
And as I work for a science based company, if the matter ever arises (I'm hoping it doesn't) I'd dare to use 'sex' rather than 'gender'.

Popchyk · 10/07/2019 23:07

I'd leave it for a bit and not change my email signature.

If you come under pressure, then just reply to the email stating that you are gender-free which means that you do not have preferred pronouns.

And leave it there.

They won't push back on you because questioning a member of staff about their self-defined gender identity is not a road that they want to go down.

HepzibahGreen · 10/07/2019 23:08

The whole thing actually makes me fucking angry. For years I worked in a place with 1 female toilet on the other side of the (massive) site from all the actual women and nobody cared. All the managers were men. Whatevs. Women wern't taken seriously. Who gives a shit.
Oh but a tiny minority of men want validation..the whole company has to pander? Fuck off.

JoyceJeffries · 10/07/2019 23:09

Do it for a couple of weeks and then “forget”

Passive aggressiveness is your friend here.

GCAcademic · 10/07/2019 23:10

GCAcademic's answer is pretty much perfect, except it's a bias against women not towards them!

Oops Blush Thanks for spotting that unfortunate mistake!

AlunWynsKnee · 10/07/2019 23:15

It's such nonsense. What circumstances couldn't you just use someone's name?
You say you to the person.

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