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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

to not want to sign off my emails with preferred pronouns?

67 replies

AlphaBites · 10/07/2019 22:13

I've been redirected here from the AIBU board.

So, we've had an email do the rounds today at work saying in the next few weeks all staff are expected to sign off with their preferred pronouns, to save any embarrassment for any staff. hmm

I don't want to.

Can I fight this somehow?

Can I add a pronoun that is PA enough to not get me sacked?

I think it's all bollocks.

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NoSquirrels · 11/07/2019 20:57

I wonder if this is something Stonewall advise in their workplace training?

It is certainly advised/encouraged by the charity Mermaids in their training - in the transcript tape that was published of one of their trainers in a school the trainer said they always include their pronouns, and hope everyone else will consider doing so too.

MrsWilkinsonAthome · 11/07/2019 21:01

I work overseas for an international organization with people with over 70 different nationalities. I would say that when I am emailing them I have no idea around 40-50% of the time if they are men or women. And it does not matter. We all address our email Good morning Bob, etc and write to the person using you. When I am not sure I simply refer to someone as they. It has never been Been an issue.

I for one would refuse to put my preferred pronoun and must admit past he and she I am rather lost anyway.

Eaudear · 11/07/2019 21:16

I agree that you should tell them that you do not wish to draw attention to your sex in the workplace.

Or alternatively sign off with the pronouns 'od/fod' Grin

TheClitterati · 11/07/2019 21:29

When do you use the pro nouns of someone you are writing to in an email anyway? Surely you only use pronouns to refer to third parties in emails? You might say you/your but not she/he etc refering to the person you are addressing?

They will be collating and circulation pro noun spread sheets next / idiots!

My pronouns are ODFOD, and minge.

What a fucking stupid idea. What kind of company is this?

Eaudear · 11/07/2019 21:47

Yeah it must be for if you are being referred to as a third party by other people. Which means everyone would have to remember everyone else's preferred pronouns.

What a load of old shite.

XenoBio · 11/07/2019 21:53

have not included preferred pronouns in my email signature as I do not have any. I believe that people usually use "She/Her" when referring to me because my sex is female, but I do not prefer them over others and would not be offended if referred to as "He/Him" for example. I do not personally have a sense of gender identity in relation to myself

Very much this. Plus I am visibly androgynous (my style is along the lines of clippered off hair and doc martens) and I have had dysphoria, so my go-to is that is find it triggering and it makes me feel unsafe. No one has argued to date...

OldCrone · 11/07/2019 22:15

This one, MrsFogi?
Pronouns are Rohypnol

This is also worth a read:
lonelyts.blog/2019/07/10/he-he-police/

Bowlofbabelfish · 12/07/2019 19:23

My options would be;

Ignore it

If called in by HR, express bafflement. ‘My what sorry? My pronouns? ... I’m sorry I don’t understand, my name is on there, what exactly am I being asked to add..? (Allow HR to waffle) ... is someone saying they think I’m a man..? ...That’s very odd isn’t it?.. ‘ just look terribly confused and polite and carry on in this vein. ‘So I have to put she/her? I think I filled a form in with my sex on it when I was hired didn’t I?’

And then, after dragging that out I’d use the ‘but labelling oneself as female has been shown to reduce blah blah gosh (tinkly laugh) that’s a lawsuit waiting to happen surely that’s not what they mean..?

And then if the fuckers insisted, they can all cal me Dr.
Always.
At every interaction. pronouns being important and all that. Especially HR.

Hey why not all get ordained and be Rev!?

Isthisafreename · 12/07/2019 19:35

Another interesting read on the impact of visibility of one's sex in work interactions medium.com/@nickyknacks/working-while-female-59a5de3ad266#.ginj3xk30

HermioneWeasley · 12/07/2019 19:39

My pronouns are fuck/this/shit

Aspley · 13/07/2019 00:43

This is inevitable at my workplace. I will ignore as long as I can get away with it.
We have signed up to some gender charter and told to add their logo. I have so far forgotten to do that and if challenged will state that as a lesbian I cannot support an ideology that is actively against my sexuality.

TigerCubScout · 13/07/2019 07:18

If you end up having to put them in your email start using them all the time in internal emails:
Hi Carol (she/her), I (she/her) spoke to Bob (he/him) about the project and he (Bob/him) said he (Bob/him) would speak to the Finance team (they/them). So we (we/us) should know later today. Regards Tiger (she/her).

dudsville · 13/07/2019 07:22

It's too much to remember. I work in a large team and I don't know everyone's names and responsibilities. This is another thing I would not remember unless only 1 or 2 people requested something outside of what I would have expected. If most people replied with something novel then we'd spend most of the day having to remind each other of our preferences.

SonEtLumiere · 13/07/2019 07:31

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MrsTerryPratchett · 13/07/2019 15:22

My boss came from an organisation where they tried to compel this. She refused (GNC lesbian wasn't taking any nonsense) and supported other staff who wouldn't. She eventually left because the blue-haired new, young staff couldn't agree about anything with the old-school older staff. Sounds like a metaphor (except we can't leave).

MamaOomMowWow · 13/07/2019 18:43

Another option I might go with is:

"As someone who has questioned their identity and thought life would have been better if I had been born a boy, I am finding this quite triggering and do not wish to participate."

Lancelottie · 13/07/2019 18:51

I might go with ‘No. As you may notice, I have a gender neutral name and title which I worked quite hard to attain. I find this professionally useful in countering some of the sexist assumptions in interactions with clients. I assure you I will not be offended by incorrect pronouns.’

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