Where is my space?!

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Here's the new toilet signage at my work.

Where is my space?!!

Find a felt tip pen and draw a skirt on the men's sign?

As we discovered recently, an extraordinary number of men think its a-okay to wear a rubber gimp suit to work and film yourself wanking in the work loos.

OP, you must insist on female-only provision or you risk walking in on an amateur porn shoot.

Nooooo not in my loos!

What happened to him/her anyway? NSPCC keeping its head down and hoping it blows over?

i would also start by asking why they had done it, rather than suggesting the men’s also be inclusive

Good point

Any letter of compaint, also highlight that the language has been made less accessible.

Its mixed sex & for men & women or everyone
Many people have literacy, visual, language issues whiich require signs to be clear.

Did they not have a disabled loo before?

I’m just wondering how they’ve got along with 2 loos in the past

Two points to add here:

1 There is no legal requirement to acknowledge a claimed status of "non-binary", since NB has zero legal meaning in UK law.

2 UK Case Law has established that, where a person who claims protection via gender reassignment does not have a GRC [ie: has not legally changed their Birth Certificate] the legal comparator for a male at any stage in any process of transition is other males; the legal comparator for a female is other females.

See [from 2003; pre-GRA 2004] www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5b46f1fa2c94e0775e7ef4e3 [paras 70 onward]

and this case above was relied upon in 2013 [post GRA 2004] in this subsequent case:

www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5a8ff7bb60d03e7f57eb1a1f [see paras 63 - 68]

So, there is no need to alter any facilities and given the requirements of The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 it is very unwise of this employer to have made such an adjustment.

Even if a person has a GRC this does not give that person any legal right to access any facilities for the sex transitioned to. It is probably a better legal option for any employer to allocate a third, separate facility to such a person.

Schedule 3, sections 26, 27 and 28 are explicit about this:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/schedule/3

Stealing from one minority group to give to another is a shitty way to deal with the problem.

Part of the problem is that although women are often treated as a minority, they aren't, so (assuming equal employment) in this situation the 50% of the work force who take longer to use the loo have less than 50% of the toilets.

The situation would be worse if there were urinals in the men's toilets because it's usually possible to have more urinals than toilets.

And shared disability provision makes the problem even worse.

All they have done is give able bodied men a special toilet in the name of equality. .

All they have done is give able bodied men a special toilet in the name of equality. .

This is it in a nutshell 😂 I'm not laughing because it's funny, but because it's absurd

Has anyone else at your work mentioned it.

I’m sure trans men can use the gents. Obviously there’s no song and dance about it because they aren’t ‘special’.

Lord I think NSPCC is blocking anyone who asks about the Wanking One - and haven’t done a thing about him

Hmm...obviously, in keeping with the times, the dude figure is missing a forearm due to phalloplasty, right? VERY inclusive place of work you have!

Well fuck me. I've always been slightly sceptical that this movement is being encouraged in order to segregate and discriminate women. I think this says it all.

It’s the fact that the men’s is still the men’s! How come they not have a ‘safe single sex space’. Don’t they want to share with the (charity) wankers then?

Any reaction? What merrymouse said sums the entire issue up perfectly - everybody else is expected to be inclusive, but not the able bodied men.

Cover up the mens signage with a female sign

I'd draw a skirt on the male only character.

If there are no urinals. Maybe the men's has no sanitary bin and they don't want to purchase more?

I would emal and ask why this was done, let them explain their rationale, then go back with your points after that.

In offices now where although there are separate loos the wee (teensy tiny wee) signs on the door are so similar you can barely make out which a the men’s and which is the ladies.

The skirt/jacket is the same length - one is triangular and the other note bell shaped. Bloody architect/interior designers!

I'd be tempted to get a Sharpie and fill inthe men's sign with a skirt

Everyone was just standing and gawping at the doors before plumping on the relevant sex. I was just relieved their weren’t unisex!
They were so deathly silent too - but the crash of wee hitting the porcelain was deafening. Very odd acoustics!

I would also do a rough calculation on the numbers that will be eligible to use each toilet to have the numbers to hand to supplement your reply and show how they are going to end up with women taking longer to to the loo as they need to queue longer and if men are using the women’s as it’s not as rank as the men’s then that’s going to be really offputting to women who will hold on and end up with utis and time off work. I’m consolidating greatly here - there’s a fab article about what women need their own lips and the practical side of things that would be great to add lots of practical info to your reply. Been referenced quite a bit in the feminism chat section but can’t remenber the name of it or it’s author. Maybe someone else does and could link to it?

Also definitely get a copy of the article about the introduction of gender neutral (multi sex!) loos to the Home Office and how it all went horribly wrong. I would be tempted to send it out to all those that use the loos and ask if you could all learn their collective lessons and ensure from the beginning it doesn’t get as bad or maybe send to he and ask if they can turn it into a lessons learnt document that they could issue as instructions for using the loos. Hopefully they will read it and quietly retreat!