Kristina says as a male trans woman we have no right...

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....to expect we can join women's sports.

She was a former football player, and is talking on the BBC 2 programme The Transwoman Athlete Dispute with Martina Navratilova and the science, which sports bodies didn't have when making global decisions upon women. Caster semenya also appears

Good on her, the more voices are heard in this debate the better, especially from the trans community and sportsman.

Sportsmen, not man.

BBC iPlayer narrative and link to programme download

I thought Kristina played in a women's league? Has Kristina changed Kristina's mind about the appropriateness of this?

Kristina acknowledges that they don't have the right to do it, but does it anyway?

I’ve seen Kristina speak and have a lot of time for her.

FA were one of the first sporting bodies to implement 'trans inclusive' policies enabling some males to compete in girls & women's football.

Fairplay for Women analysis of the policy:

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1147854826631520257

Delia Johnston played a key role in changing girls & women's single sex policies in UK sports:

2015 Metro article:

'Transgender woman on struggle with new identity – and how she was accepted by the FA, but not her daughter'

(extract)
"Her choice contributed to the breakdown of her marriage and put a strain on her family. Now, five years on, she has finally found her feet as a female. Delia has found confidence, peace, a job fighting for the rights of the transgender community – and a new relationship too. She now works as specialist diversity consultant for Trans In Sport, Northamptonshire Police and England Netball, fighting for the rights of the transgender community. (continues)

‘I declare as transsexual,’ she says. ‘I’ve had surgery. I have a gender recognition certificate. If someone asks me if I am trans, the answer is: “Yes. I have an interesting gender history”.’ Delia says that her transition was subject to all sort of issues and problems, including ‘viciousness’ from society." (continues)

It took her a while to make the move into the women’s changing rooms. ‘In my early days it was always an issue of confidence,’ she says. ‘Where I am now, when it comes to changing rooms I’m female – end of. ‘It’s like me saying to you: “As a female, what’s it like going to a male changing room?” (continues)

‘I believe sport is so important. It helps you socially physically and mentally,’ she says. ‘Sports UK and Sports England have now rolled out new guidance. They’ve issued a Transsexual Inclusion In Sport document for domestic, national and international competitions. ‘But there’s not enough actual sports governing bodies implementing changes and policy review in light of this. ‘More still needs to be done. I’m not letting them get off lightly!’

On the ‘trans-friendly’ FA
As Delia says, some bodies deserve credit where it’s due. Namely, the English Football Association, or The FA. Delia worked for the organisation despite, she says, having been told they were ‘homophobic’. Undeterred, she went in and examined the structure of the organisation from a transgender perspective, and found The FA to be the most inclusive of all sports organisations she’d come across – and in fact, the most instrumental in getting transsexuals involved in football." (continues)

metro.co.uk/2015/10/21/transgender-woman-on-her-desperate-struggle-with-her-new-identity-and-how-she-was-accepted-by-the-fa-but-not-her-daughter-5376352/

2015 BBC interview:
"Transsexual Delia Johnston - I hated sport before my sex change'
(extract)
When Delia Johnston turned up at a netball taster event, the coach quipped she must have been a great player at school because of her height.

In truth the 59-year-old had never played the game in her life, as Johnston was born male.

"I had to come up with some excuse," she told BBC Sport.

"After that first night I had to go and buy the complete idiot's guide to netball as I knew nothing about the game. But it's great fun now."

In 2012 Johnston had gender reassignment surgery to complete her transition from a male to a female and bring to an end decades of emotional struggles and the feeling of being trapped in the wrong body.

"Effectively I lived a lie all of my life and you have to deal with that," she said.

Johnston, from Milton Keynes, began her journey in 2010 and admits she has lost many friends along the way, but says she doesn't blame them because she is a totally different person.

As a man, she was successful in her work in the communications industry, but an introvert. Now she's a self-confessed lunatic.

"I'm a party animal and I enjoy life to the max and I love sport, whereas before I hated sport with a vengeance," she said." (continues)

But Johnston remains positive and wants to act as a role model for others who go through the same process.

She works closely with sport governing bodies in the UK to try to encourage more trans people to participate in sport.

Delia wants to encourage more transsexuals to participate in sport

Delia started to play netball in September 2014 and learnt her height is an advantage on court

"The ultimate utopia is that someone who is looking to change gender can do sport, be it competition sport or just swimming or doing some work at the local gym," she added." (continues)

www.bbc.com/sport/get-inspired/31748076

Just my perception, I may be wrong.

I don't think so.

Lang whilst not wholly convinced, when I watched it I found it refreshing that she referred to herself as a male entering women's sports, and that she hadnt expected that would be ok, it was an ask. It really came across differently to the entitled, aggressive, approach I've seen so much elsewhere.

It was definitely an acknowledgement.

Yes, Kristina still went on to play, which is down to the rules that allow it.

There was a brilliant BBC article with examples of teams with male trans competitors, will look that out.

Lang whilst not wholly convinced, when I watched it I found it refreshing she referred to herself as a male entering women's sports, and that she hadnt expected that would be ok, it was an ask. It really came across differently to the entitled, aggressive, approach I've seen so much elsewhere.

I don't see a difference between aggressive threatening and coercive manipulation, frankly. Neither does a women's sector analysis of any encroachment of female boundaries by males.

All this well, I was invited completely elides the power balance in a male-dominated society.

As a socialist, Kristina should be well aware of this.

Not a woman-friendly participant in this discussion at all.

My recommendation to Kristina would be: go back and revise your Engels.

the BBC trans in sport

Why do they label with cis

Noticed that Kristina used trans gender which seems preferable to transsexual, which isn't a possibility.

There seems to be lots of prominent transpeople who say one thing, and do another.

Some seem to spend a lot of time focusing on what other male transpeople are doing, yet ignoring their own actions.

The rules which were implemented by the FA 3+ years ago which made girls & women's football mixed sex would have been known to any male trans person who has played in female teams.

FA rules are not just about competition but also changing rooms.

The question to ask surely, is were they challenged at the time as impacting women & girls safety, privacy & dignity or was the opportunity appreciated by the individual?

"Yes, Kristina still went on to play, which is down to the rules that allow it."

So Kristina's POV is that male trans women shouldn't play women's sports, unless trans women have already lobbied hard on their behalf to make that happen in which case it's fine and dandy.

Nope, that's just saying that it's okay to cheat if the system says it's okay.

Yes, Kristina still went on to play, which is down to the rules that allow it

But if Kristina thought the rules were sexist and wrong, why did Kristina take advantage of them? If Kristina thinks sexism is a problem in society, why did Kristina take advantage of female socialisation to join a women's team?

There is no point in talking the talk if you don't walk the walk.

As Datun would say: at some point you have to shit or get off the pot.

Yes, Kristina still went on to play, which is down to the rules that allow it

So Kristina's POV is that male trans women shouldn't play women's sports, unless trans women have already lobbied hard on their behalf to make that happen in which case it's fine and dandy.

Kristina's POV doesnt just apply to women's single sex sport.
Ive also heard Kristina speak. Last year's Filia conference was eye-opening.

FA rules are not just about competition but also changing rooms.

And any decent male would avoid taking advantage of such a rule and leave the changing rooms and the pitch exclusively to the females.

What is the thinking involved by any male who thinks he could take advantage of such a rule?

I found it refreshing that she referred to herself as a male entering women's sports, and that she hadnt expected that would be ok, it was an ask.

Who was asked though?
Every woman who may have joined the football club subsequently?
Every woman in every opposing football match?
Every woman who entered the female changing room?