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Has McKinnon been sacked?

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Threesoups · 04/07/2019 22:47

Maybe I'm reading McKinnon's tweets wrong but it sounds like it. McKinnon is arguing that not publishing in academic journals was held against McKinnon, and that this is unjust because McKinnon publishes on Twitter, amongst others.

twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1146735736231735297

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Threesoups · 04/07/2019 23:08

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FormerMediocreMale · 04/07/2019 23:09

Dr. Rachel McKinnon
@rachelvmckinnon
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Philosophical acumen is totally useless if we're only talking to each other. I mean, nothing wrong with a good circle jerk now and then, but let's be more socially productive most of the time, okay?

This did make me chuckle considering the number of people MK has blocked. I'll chuckle even more if they have been sacked but agree with pp not enough rage.

Pota2 · 04/07/2019 23:10

They all seem to be writing non-academic books- Sally Hines, Alison Phipps and now McKinnon. I guess when your argument has no rigour, academic publishing might not be the best plan.

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 04/07/2019 23:11

Just saw this philosophical retweet too... may help with the tenure!!

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KatvonHostileExtremist · 04/07/2019 23:13

Thank you for the screenshots.

McKinnon obviously blocked me for all the tweets I write, oh wait, I've never actually done one.

I can't imagine a more unbearable colleague than McKinnon. Just so full of themselves.

Northgate · 04/07/2019 23:14

I’m unfamiliar with how things work in academia.

But would someone working in that environment be made aware of things like how often they’re supposed to publish papers etc, what kind of publications are acceptable and so on?
(E.g. would the merits of getting a peer-reviewed publication in a journal vs the merits of reams of public posts on Twitter be discussed early on in an academic’s career?)

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 04/07/2019 23:18

The retweet part got cropped, this may be better.

Such a wonderful role model for women... philosopher and athlete...

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GCAcademic · 04/07/2019 23:20

But would someone working in that environment be made aware of things like how often they’re supposed to publish papers etc, what kind of publications are acceptable and so on?
(E.g. would the merits of getting a peer-reviewed publication in a journal vs the merits of reams of public posts on Twitter be discussed early on in an academic’s career?)

There is simply no way an academic, even at the earliest stage in their career, wouldn’t know this.

FormerMediocreMale · 04/07/2019 23:21

Who's publishing these books or are they self publishing?

Certainly none of its up to academic peer review, not even up to Twitter review - any dissenting/potentially dissenting opinions are blocked.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 04/07/2019 23:21

You can read the links if you open in an incognito tab or whatever is appropriate for your browser.

I'm not surprised mckinnon has been 'wrestling for months', it can't be easy to stretch 'I'm the most oppressed person EVER and you're all TERFS!!' into book length

AutumnCrow · 04/07/2019 23:22

In the UK an early career academic like Mack would be expected to be able to submit, as part of their department's research standing assessment, around four pieces of published, peer-reviewed pieces of work that have 'impact' - ie be of national and preferably international significance.

These might be journal articles or books (monographs).

Personally I think the whole system is crap anyway - it favours the old boy network and makes books and journals unaffordable for students - but Mack doesn't even seem to be aiming for Open Access websites.

Aspley · 04/07/2019 23:23

Curious interpretation of academia from Dr McKinnon there.
Publishing in the relevant journals is all that really matters.
In the UK everything is about the REF submission. I assume there is a similar scheme in the US.
Posting shit on twitter (particularly whisky bragging about the size of her block list) is not quite the same.
twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1146746037937352705?s=20

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Goosefoot · 04/07/2019 23:25

They all seem to be writing non-academic books- Sally Hines, Alison Phipps and now McKinnon. I guess when your argument has no rigour, academic publishing might not be the best plan.

I think a lot of academics like to publish pop stuff if they can, it has a chance of making money.

anomoony · 04/07/2019 23:27

McKinnon is arguing that not publishing in academic journals was held against McKinnon, and that this is unjust because McKinnon publishes on Twitter

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ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 04/07/2019 23:27

OMG I'm dying that they think they're tweets = "public philosophy". They've basically been told to get off Twitter and do some work, right? And now they're trying to bullshit that them being on Twitter is some academic public service? This twat is such a fucking joke.

Also "popular =/= not scholarship". Don't fret McKinnon, your "work" isn't popular either.

Threesoups · 04/07/2019 23:43

I'm sure it would be very popular indeed if only more people could see it. Alas, McKinnon is doomed on both fronts here. Academic paywalls thwart access to McKinnon's non Twitter work, and the fact that McKinnon has blocked half of the known world stymies a wider audience for McKinnon's Twitter work.

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LizzieSiddal · 04/07/2019 23:52

They always sound so aggressive. It comes through in almost every tweet.

ZebrasAreBras · 04/07/2019 23:54

McKinnon really embodies everything that is wrong in the world of academia and sport.

Tweeting & writing bullshit is not academic work, "Rachel" dear. Identifying as a woman and taking women's sports places does not make you a woman.

ZebrasAreBras · 04/07/2019 23:56

Doing the "do you know who I am" shit to Martina Navratilova ffs.

I suppose that's philosophy is it?

GCAcademic · 04/07/2019 23:57

Tweeting & writing bullshit is not academic work, "Rachel" dear.

But it’s bullshit that self-identifies as scholarship. Don’t be so bigoted!

FormerMediocreMale · 05/07/2019 00:03

That retweet of Mckinnon's is so creepy, presume katy montgomerie is the same sex as McKinnon as that tweet sounds so blokeish

From my Twitter days if I remember correctly, they are yes.

But it’s bullshit that self-identifies as scholarship. Don’t be so bigoted!

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ZebrasAreBras · 05/07/2019 00:05

GCAcademic - ha Grin

AutumnCrow · 05/07/2019 00:15

I mean don't get me wrong, I think academics should definitely publish free blogs, open tweets and sm posts, and free or very cheap online books for students and general readers to circumvent the rip-off publishing industry - for the sake of students.

But flouncing when asked to think and write at the same time - as per tenure rules - just seems odd.

TruthOnTrial · 05/07/2019 02:25

Interesting biopic

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