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Kathleen Stock on academic freedom

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BeansandRice · 03/07/2019 15:43

Academics and freedom of speech

I'm reading this and literally shaking. My story is in there - one of so many - I didn't realise there are so many women who've had to go through what I went through.

It is very scary, reading how many feminists (I'm not going to add "gender critical" as gender critical is what feminism is ) have been shut down, doxxed, and faced with students (and sometimes not even students) attempts to get them sacked.

Thanks to @DocStockk for collecting them, and continuing to speak out.

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R0wantrees · 03/07/2019 18:38

I thought Goose was in a different country to UK?

R0wantrees · 03/07/2019 18:39

apologies, cross post.

JackyHolyoake · 03/07/2019 18:40

I refer all to the Freedom to disbelieve in any ideology, as enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948; the European Convention on Human Rights 1953; and the UK Human Rights Act 1998.

Ditto for the Freedom of Expression [including speech].

No-one can be compelled to believe in or conform to the belief of another.

This applies to those who believe in transgenderist ideology and / or the notion of "self-ID".

Our Higher Education sector is failing badly here. It needs to make all students [and some staff] aware of International Human Rights law.

R0wantrees · 03/07/2019 18:42

JackyH I'm glad you're back Star

FormerMediocreMale · 03/07/2019 18:44

Thanks OP.

It's horrendous. As stated debate is crucial in universities, that it is not allowed and academics are no platformed is a very sad state of affairs. Add to that the intimidation and harassment it is just too awful.

With the Scottish government shelving self-ID, James Kirkup's article this week awakening more men to the madness I am trying to hold out hope that this craziness will end soon.

JackyHolyoake · 03/07/2019 18:44

RO Waves, with affection!

JackyHolyoake · 03/07/2019 19:09

OK folks: the facts are these:

1 There is no such thing as "self-ID"; it has zero meaning in UK law, so you are at zero risk of any legal or any other punitive action for speaking against such a notion.

2 Compelled use of "pronouns", the notion of so-called "mis-gendering" and so-called "dead-naming" have no relevance in UK law. [To comply with the demand for such speech is a personal matter of what is considered by some to be basic courtesy but it is not illegal.]

3 No-one can compel you to believe in any ideology.

4 No-one can compel you to use specific language.

5 Stonewall's and its associated lobby organisations' definitions relating to transgenderist ideology are not UK law and so can be ignored in all respects.

6 UK law defines the two sexes as:

man = a male of any age
woman = a female of any age
[section 212 Equality Act 2010] www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/212

7 UK law defines sexual orientation thus:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/12

See also the more explicit Explanatory Notes: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/2/1/9

[So current UK "Pride" parades are ignoring UK law when it comes to the definition of lesbians.]

There is more about the "transgenderism" agenda in the UK that ignores UK law but this is enough to be going on with for now.

nonsenceagain · 03/07/2019 19:15

Horrible and all too familiar. I know more than one of these situations and know the enormous stress involved. Kathleen Stock is amazing for putting this together. There really is safety in numbers and knowing what’s going on in other institutions is hugely important. Comparing notes, offering support and exchanging practical information has always been vital to feminism and remains so now as there’s so little support from our institutions and our union.

JackyHolyoake · 03/07/2019 19:26

knowing what’s going on in other institutions is hugely important.

Indeed .. and knowing that our public institutions are ignoring UK law and not referring to or upholding UK law is even more hugely important.

This wilful ignoring of UK law applies to most of not all of our public institutions, not just the Higher Education sector.

Parts of the NHS ignore UK Equality Act 2010 law; parts of the police services ignore UK Equality Act 2010 law; parts of the Justice system ignore UK Equality Act 2010 law; parts of the voluntary / charity sector [aka third sector] ignore UK Equality Act 2010 law; some UK politicians ignore UK law; parts of the Education sector ignore UK Equality Act 2010 law; parts of local government ignores UK Equality Act 2010 law.

You may be able to add more organisations / institutions who ignore UK Equality Act 2919 law.

JackyHolyoake · 03/07/2019 19:27

Oops! 2919 should read as 2010, obviously! Grin

Bezalelle · 03/07/2019 19:42

It really is the new McCarthyism.

nonsenceagain · 03/07/2019 19:48

Yes and no. It’s more akin to eugenics to me because that too was seen as progressive.

tilder · 03/07/2019 19:48

Shocking stuff.

Academic freedom and press freedom are the bedrock of a democracy.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 03/07/2019 19:51

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AlwaysComingHome · 03/07/2019 19:53

Yes and no. It’s more akin to eugenics to me because that too was seen as progressive.

Yes, it was heavily promoted by the Fabian Society.

NeurotrashWarrior · 03/07/2019 20:01

Jesus I'm only on to number 9 and I feel hopelessly depressed that any academic can ever comment again on gender/ sex in a way that doesn't align with twaw tmam without any fear of rebuttal.

"Group think" is certainly a useful term to describe what's going on. And paranoia; I cannot understand how these tiny things have blown out of proportion.

NeurotrashWarrior · 03/07/2019 20:02

And so far it's all women as far as I can tell. Which is telling.

Floomph · 03/07/2019 20:02

This is so chilling. I admire anyone who has spoken out publicly about these issues. Kathleen Stock, if you read this, you are such a huge heroine. Thank you. Your work matters.

NeurotrashWarrior · 03/07/2019 20:05

I'll add my own from a different perspective; I've been told by an academic that some academics are extremely worried about associating with any academic who is known to be "about t*rfy." To the point of worrying if they should share platforms with them on subjects completely unrelated to trans.

NeurotrashWarrior · 03/07/2019 20:08

And thank you so much to K stock and all the contributors to this collation of stories.

These stories need to keep being told.

I'm now less surprised at how Michele Moore has been treated.

JackyHolyoake · 03/07/2019 20:26

It all goes to demonstrate how the Higher Education sector is failing in its Public Sector Equality Duty to uphold the UK law that is the Equality Act 2010 plus the 1998 UK Human Rights law, which is derived from UN Declaration of Human Rights 1948 plus the European Convention on Human Rights 1953.

The UK Equalities and Human Rights Commission [EHRC] issued guidance to the Higher Education Providers' sector earlier this year and still it seems that this is being ignored:

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/higher-education-providers-guidance

nonsenceagain · 03/07/2019 20:33

Yes that’s right neuro. I’ve witnessed this but I’ve also witnessed solidarity among academics. Plenty really don’t know this is going on and are shocked when they hear about it.

GCAcademic · 03/07/2019 20:51

but I’ve also witnessed solidarity among academics. Plenty really don’t know this is going on and are shocked when they hear about it.

That’s my experience too. I broke it to my colleague yesterday that lesbians can now have a penis and that if she was to stand in the middle of the campus and proclaim otherwise there would be calls for her sacking. She was horrified. All my male colleagues are very supportive (albeit without actually saying anything publicly). But I am lucky enough to work with some exceptionally smart people, rather than SJW ideologues who regard thinking as a form of bigotry.

NeurotrashWarrior · 03/07/2019 21:01

This must be so scary for so many.

Some of what I'm reading I find so preposterous I laughed. To be quickly followed by fear for these academics.

. I’m out of the firing line now, but my entire department undertook compulsory Gender Awareness Training recently, where the only permitted truths about gender identity, biology and social construction were imparted to a room of 40 PhD-possessed academics, who being savvier than me already knew better than to answer back.

This is a lol but also, Jesus, if they asked a difficult question I wonder if it's noted?

NeurotrashWarrior · 03/07/2019 21:06

Not 'about t*rfy,' I meant 'a bit'

I'm glad there's solidarity. At the same time it doesn't take much for a full dept to swing a particular way and clearly people are going through things they really shouldn't.

The way students are coming across in this is very worrying, in terms of their actual sanity and their ability to ruin careers.