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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JY - update article

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NellieEllie · 03/07/2019 09:45

This really does just bring a legal system into disrepute if this stuff really has to be considered. www.jccf.ca/justice-centre-representing-three-more-bc-aestheticians-facing-human-rights-complaints-over-refusal-to-perform-waxing-service/

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TimeLady · 03/07/2019 09:56

Kiwifarms continue to report on and archive all JY's actions so evidence can't just be deleted. It's becoming clear that support both online and in the local community is now minimal.

Thanks for that link; I'm glad the women being targeted are getting proper support

2BthatUnnoticed · 03/07/2019 10:14

Mhairi Black was rebuking Scottish women on Twitter for not embracing self-ID... and this person came onto the thread to agree with Mhairi (!).

They use female bathrooms and post online about them (as you do)... Given all the history, it’s pretty alarming.

ZebrasAreBras · 03/07/2019 10:35

Yaniv has fallen out with even the most ardent TRAs now.

twitter.com/Jessica_Yaniv/status/1145755687349149702

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CharlieParley · 03/07/2019 10:41

I once asked a Canadian woman who was extolling the virtues of self-id whether she realised that this case would demonstrate whether she and her fellow female citizens could be compelled by the state to touch male genitalia. Admittedly, while I was asking this question, it sounded utterly bonkers. She did not reply to that but did reject my argument that Canadian women had lost vital human rights because of their self-id system.

The following chilling passage shows that my thinking, however bonkers, is exactly where the Tribunal for Human Rights is heading:

In a May 30, 2019 ruling in JY v. Various Waxing Salons, the BC Human Rights Tribunal expressed its concern about the “rights” of transgender women to access “gender affirming” care such as waxing, which the Tribunal says is “critical,” even if this is “a very intimate service that is sometimes performed by women who are themselves vulnerable.”

Please note that the Tribunal is indeed struggling with this case, but not for the reasons we would expect (ie that women and girls have the right to set boundaries around their own bodies against all males, however they identify, and therefore must be allowed to refuse to touch male genitalia, especially in professions where this is not part of the work remit).

No, it turns out that some of the beauticians pursued by BalldeMort are from conservative religious backgrounds and/or immigrants from conservative backgrounds which have strict rules about physical contact between the sexes.

And it turns out that while the Tribunal continues to take no notice of BalldeMort's concerning obsession with "helping" menstruating pre-teen girls and his misogynist behaviour, it has deigned to notice his racist remarks. Which it is deeply troubled by.

In a sane world, his case would have been thrown out the second the court realised here is a male seeking to force females to touch male genitalia and rebuked him for harassment.

But that's not the world Canadian women live in anymore.

JoyceJeffries · 03/07/2019 10:41

Oger was more than happy until relatively recently to publicly support Yaniv and by extension their quest to offer to help 10 yr old girls insert their tampons when using public bathrooms.
If you believe TWAW without question this is what you really support.

ZebrasAreBras · 03/07/2019 10:43

The evidence from Yaniv's own tweets are all that needs to seen to show that Yaniv is a person over-interested in interacting with young girls in changing rooms and toilets, and in punishing women who refuse to validate Yaniv's "identity".

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OvaHere · 03/07/2019 10:47

Oger is just attempting to do damage control. Yaniv highlights everything that is wrong with Self ID and TWAW as an ideological mantra.

Perhaps what Oger doesn't realise is that Yaniv isn't the first and most certainly won't be the last to demonstrate how blatantly harmful this all is.

ZebrasAreBras · 03/07/2019 11:00

Ovahere - yes, this is true. Because this would never happen of course.

Popchyk · 03/07/2019 11:13

And much as Oger wants Yaniv to stop (because it reflects poorly on the trans community), Yaniv won't stop.

Because why on earth would Yaniv stop? Yaniv craves the attention.

Yaniv will be there forever.

Representing the self-ID transgender community every single day.

NotBadConsidering · 03/07/2019 11:30

Yes, Oger will never say “JY’s actions demonstrate you were right, I’m sorry, we need to reconsider where we’re going with this” but instead is saying “shut up JY you prick, you’re ruining it for the rest of us”. It’s a completely selfish approach to try and shun JY, it’s not remotely about the concerns of women.

LangCleg · 03/07/2019 11:42

Yaniv will be there forever.

Yep. He will continue to escalate until he forces a tipping point. Which is why Oger is panicking. This stuff is supposed to go under the radar, not get a satellite broadcast.

Datun · 03/07/2019 11:42

It's becoming clear that one of the most extraordinary things about these issues is that the damage limitation team really think their efforts aren't blatantly, self servingly transparent.

What on earth do they take people for?

Whatsnewpussyhat · 03/07/2019 11:52

Janiv won't stop and neither will all the other predatory males that have been emboldened by this bullshit narrative of males needing constant external validation of magical lady feelz and the destruction of women's sex based rights.

TurboTeddy · 03/07/2019 13:29

In a May 30, 2019 ruling in JY v. Various Waxing Salons, the BC Human Rights Tribunal expressed its concern about the “rights” of transgender women to access “gender affirming” care such as waxing, which the Tribunal says is “critical,” even if this is “a very intimate service that is sometimes performed by women who are themselves vulnerable.”

There's so much wrong with this it's hard to know where to begin.

Suggesting that having intimate areas waxed is gender affirming clearly signals that the tribunal think it is "normal" for women to be hair free in these areas. They can fuck off.

Waxing is a cosmetic procedure not "care". They can fuck off.

IIRC JY was offered waxing of their female penis and testicles at three salons but chose to contact multiple salons to collect a list of businesses they could take legal action against. Surely it is obvious this is vexatious litigation?

If accessing this "care" is so important then why are none of the trans community seeking to train to fill the gap in the market.

How are they able to ignore the concerning evidence or predatory behaviour and harassment of women just trying to earn a living.

In a sane world, his case would have been thrown out the second the court realised here is a male seeking to force females to touch male genitalia and rebuked him for harassment.

How long before we see this kind of insanity happening in the UK?

Am I the only one who finds this level of insanity and its impact on women's rights truly terrifying? I don't use that word hyperbolically, I mean genuinely terrifying.

AnyOldPrion · 03/07/2019 13:42

I don't use that word hyperbolically, I mean genuinely terrifying.

Terrifying is an appropriate word. That this ideology has gained such a foothold is almost incomprehensible to me as well.

Datun · 03/07/2019 14:35

Terrifying is an appropriate word. That this ideology has gained such a foothold is almost incomprehensible to me as well.

Me too.

It's the frog in the boiling pan.

We can hold up Karen White as an example of what happens if the ideology is taken to its logical conclusion. But even that now is becoming hackneyed.

I have to occasionally remind myself of what someone like my grandmother would say if I told her that in 2019, we were sending male rapists into female prisons and letting them assault the inmates.

It's truly terrifying.

AlwaysComingHome · 03/07/2019 17:07

Yaniv is currently faking a cancer. It’s hard to determine which cancer because it migrated. I think they might be the first person to ever have a brain tumour detected by mammogram. Once you faking one biological reality there’s no stopping you faking any other.

Yaniv also tweeted from the hospital waiting room. Not sure why a cancer patient went to A&E l, but Yaniv was greatly amused by the sight of battered prostitutes and victims of domestic violence being wheeled in.

What’s MN’s line on this person? Can we use the correct pronouns or do we still have to pretend this scumbag is worthy of respect?

Michelleoftheresistance · 03/07/2019 17:53

Its batshit and can't stand up in court. Those women were not trained or equipped to deal with this individual's genitals, and would have been liable if they had done as this predatory and child/tampon insertion obsessed individual had wished. The service they wanted was freely available from other service providers. It's like walking into somewhere that provides ear candling and demanding that they pierce your ears instead.

It is not currently law and would be batshit to put into law that every waxer must qualify for both male and female genitals. Honestly don't understand the money and time and effort being put into this when there is no case, other than everyone bending over backwards because of misguided political correctness and the most that can result is a bit of hand wringing about wouldn't it be nice if all waxers welcomed penises and balls into their lives.

YouJustDoYou · 03/07/2019 18:51

"It went really well, but I was expecting more though. I only saw one girl in her panties". "Do you see tits or pussy ever?". Etc. Shudder. SHUDDER.

This is utterly horrific.

ZebrasAreBras · 03/07/2019 19:44

Can Canadian courts use C16 now? I'm no expert on Canadian law, but does it mean that Yaniv can insist on not being discriminated against because of h** gender identity? i.e. the beauticians have to treat Yaniv as they would any other woman (cock and balls are an irrelevance because of gender identity)? If anyone can explain this to me - I'd be v grateful.

Certainly Canada is far further down the road of self ID legislation than the UK - and we MUST stop the UK following the same route.

barelove · 03/07/2019 20:16

Allways

"It went really well, but I was expecting more though. I only saw one girl in her panties". "Do you see tits or pussy ever?"

The scumbag paedo who posted this is most certainly a male and I'm sure MN would agree his vile, abusive behaviour negates any respect.

YouJustDoYou · 03/07/2019 22:02

The sexual lusty glee that runs through it's tweets about asking 10 year old children with tampon strings if they have a spare pad....I mean...Jesus. And it's SANCTIONED. This monster is PROTECTED MORE than the children it's desperate to get it's sexual thrills out of. It's because of disgusting perverts like this piece of vileness that gave me a lifelong fear and distrust of men.

GrumpyCatLives · 04/07/2019 00:21

Anyone interested in this needs to check out the farms... they have the scoop.

AlunWynsKnee · 04/07/2019 00:31

Yaniv will be there forever.
And if JY is exposed (shudder) there'll be another one along soon. JY is not unique.

Michelleoftheresistance · 04/07/2019 17:21

but does it mean that Yaniv can insist on not being discriminated against because of h gender identity? i.e. the beauticians have to treat Yaniv as they would any other woman (cock and balls are an irrelevance because of gender identity)

This is what completely confuses me too. Those professionals were not trained to wax cock and balls, nor equipped to do so - completely different procedure and training and certification. They would have been in breach of their licence and liable if they had attempted to do this. There were plenty of other professionals available who were qualified and perfectly happy to provide this service.

So: (And in all honesty, because this baffles me)

  • Is this a trades description bit of idiocy in that the criticism is that these practitioners should not be allowed to say they provide waxing services for 'women' unless they provide waxing for all forms of genitalia including cocks and balls? Well the most that the court can do is say well it's not law that they must do so, so other than looking reproachful at them and suggesting it would be nice if people reworded their service description to 'waxing for vagina havers' or something else completely dehumanising for women no result there.

  • Is the court being asked to rule on whether it's legal for practitioners to qualify in waxing one type of genitals only? Or that every qualified waxer must wax all forms of genitals on demand and can't be allowed to opt out in their training? Well the court can't compel that either, so what's the point

  • Is the court being (seriously) asked to rule on whether a service they were unqualified to provide should have been done anyway because They Said So? No case there either, and a probable answer of directions to the nearest grip shop.

The judge in looking at the (many) contentious issues already arising before this has come to court has made much of vulnerable person entitled to make full use of protections of law and support and sympathetic hearing and etc etc etc, which makes me wonder how much this is a gesture of political indulgence correctness. I then hope the women not entitled to protection from this kind of abuse make counter cases for damages.