Put back in my box

[Juells]

I emailed the director of an organisation that I belong to, about the fact that the only options on their membership form were Gender Identity or non-binary.

I said, in part

I'm OK with you requesting gender identity for those of your members that have a gender identity, but most people don't. I'm female, why should I be forced to accept an identity I don't have? Women have fought against the idea of 'gender' for fifty years, and I object to having it foisted on me now. Gender is a social construct, stereotypes of how the two sexes should behave.

How can you possibly produce any reliable statistics about the membership of XXXX with such a wooly question?

Could you please offer the options of Male, Female, followed by gender identity or non binary?

I think what has happened here is that people have used gender to mean sex for at least 20 years.

Do you need membership of the organisation in order to continue working? How important is membership to you? I realise one woman leaving won’t have much impact, but if it was my only recourse, I would leave and explain why in a direct message to as many of the people in charge as possible, seeing as Beardy is obviously so far up his own arse that nothing you say will impact his bigoted views.

I'm in Ireland, these are the protected characteristics; there are nine, gender (male,female, transexual), civil status, family status, sexual orientation, disability, religion, age, race, and membership of the Traveller community. The word sex isn't mentioned.
They're using 'gender' to mean sex, aren't they? Whether you're male, female or transexual is your sex. It's just when it's viewed through wokeglasses that it means feelz. So the wokefolk are taking perfectly adequate legislation and rendering it meaningless by redefining the words used to write it.

".... how we now language identity ....". So language is a verb now, is it? That alone deserves a rocket up the arse, never mind the rest of his crap.

A pedant after my own heart

I have just parted company with a charity I have been supporting financially for 20 years because they are using a bodily function as a word for woman. Their loss. There is one sure way of getting the message across to these twats. Hit them in the pocket.

There is one sure way of getting the message across to these twats. Hit them in the pocket.

Sadly, they aren't getting the message. There was a woker-than-woke article in yesterday's Indie, implying that the sudden loss in donors to the NSPCC was in fact due to trans-ideologues withdrawing their support because they were outraged that Berdorff had been "sacked".

In fact I'd put money on most of those lost donors being down to outrage at the organisation tolerating a fetishist making porn videos in the toilets at work then posting them online, in an organisation that is meant to have child safeguarding at its centre.

But there's no action that can't be spun and misinterpreted by these people. DARVO all the time.

This is outrageous.

What a stupid fucker.

@AnyOldPrion
Do you need membership of the organisation in order to continue working? How important is membership to you?

No, it isn't necessary to be a member. I'm not even sure there are any advantages. They would advise/represent me should I ever be involved in a dispute, but I'm not sure their advice would be worth the paper it's written on. They have never been the slightest assistance to me, although admittedly I've never required any help.

As mentioned by a pp, this has echoes of what has happened to biological women in Ireland in the past, in which other women colluded. Now that we can't be oppressed for our biology, our biology is going to be made meaningless.

If I resign, I can't see how to make known the reason. Both FB and Twitter have only posts by them, or what they retweet.

There was a woker-than-woke article in yesterday's Indie, implying that the sudden loss in donors to the NSPCC was in fact due to trans-ideologues withdrawing their support because they were outraged that Berdorff had been "sacked".

Same in Third Sector magazine. They mentioned MB was a porn star but nothing about their sexism, anti-lesbianism or safeguarding issues. NSPCC are obviously on a damage limitation exercise that makes me respect them even less.

I share your pain. I’m not in Ireland, but I belong to a professional body that I am worried has also been “inclusivity trained” is a way that excludes me and I’m wondering what to do about it. It has crossed my mind to point out the conclusions of those on Scotland who researched the census questions and concluded that it was more important to recognise biological reality and add voluntary gender identity questions so as to be inclusive AND factual at the same time, but I have no idea how the conversation would play out.

Regardless of how shit it is at the moment, good for you for trying. I hope you find a way forward.

I've been so annoyed about it that I think I'll have to let it go. A bit like twitter, I get the fucking rage, and all it does is give me a pounding headache. The woke beardy twats are so complacent, self-righteous, revelling in being so inclusive that there's no way to get through to them. They pour out all this meaningless drivel thinking they sound clever and don't even realise that it demonstrates how hard-of-thinking they are.

It's not very woke of them to lump together all the other 70+ (or are we up to 80+ by now?) genders as "other" is it?? There'll be some maverique types very unhappy with that

Thankfully the last form I had to fill in online had a free format option. I went for "My biological sex is female. My gender is irrelevant for the purposes of this form." I doubt anyone will even bother to read it, but it made me feel better!

www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/07/02/how-employers-are-preparing-gender-non-binary-world/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3a82b63665c6

I read this and then I read your thread. I can't believe this is the real world.

Hi sorry I had a noodle around your Equalities Act and I’m afraid I cannot work it out at all. You seem to have a number of acts from 2000-2015. It’s clear as mud to me.

I’d suggest asking an Irish discrimination lawyer to explain it. Sorry I’m no use.

Just read this and was thinking that as I'm sure there are more people with disabilities than transgender people, surely they should have a question, which would be along similar lines, of "What disability do you have?"