Put back in my box

[Juells]

I emailed the director of an organisation that I belong to, about the fact that the only options on their membership form were Gender Identity or non-binary.

I said, in part

I'm OK with you requesting gender identity for those of your members that have a gender identity, but most people don't. I'm female, why should I be forced to accept an identity I don't have? Women have fought against the idea of 'gender' for fifty years, and I object to having it foisted on me now. Gender is a social construct, stereotypes of how the two sexes should behave.

How can you possibly produce any reliable statistics about the membership of XXXX with such a wooly question?

Could you please offer the options of Male, Female, followed by gender identity or non binary?

Do you need to become a member of an organisation that obviously has taken a stance against the rights of women and girls? Is there a less bonkers organisation you could join instead?

What Elletorro said - just email him back with a very terse reply drawing his attention to the fact that sex is a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act.

.. ... Then set your attack chihuahuas on him (sarcasm alert for the slow of thinking Twitter screen grabbers).

Yes what elketorro said.
How can they be monitoring any stats if they have flawed systems

This is the form, I uploaded it last week when I noticed. I can't fill it in again as I'm a member, I just renew every year, the form is for new members.

You can only select, no possibility to fill in NoGenderYouWankers.

I'm in Ireland, these are the protected characteristics; there are nine, gender (male,female, transexual), civil status, family status, sexual orientation, disability, religion, age, race, and membership of the Traveller community. The word sex isn't mentioned.

But am so pissed off with this shite so excuse my what I would really like to say to the beardie wokie wankers

Is this a

Work thing
Charity thing
Hobby thing
What sort of thing

?

We are getting closer to an authoritarian, thought-policed state.

We're already there, it's the start and we're in for it to get increasingly more restrictive over the next few years.

Where did my post go?!

I expressed surprise that sex is not a Protected characteristic in ireland

But then I remembered that Irish women have never been mistreated due to anything relating to their biological sex, and realised its fine and I was making a fuss about nothing

Ireland is very small, so I don't want to say what kind of organisation it is. It's a grant-aided organisation for professionals. It's not a hobby or charity thing.

I'm in Ireland, these are the protected characteristics; there are nine, gender (male,female, transexual), civil status, family status, sexual orientation, disability, religion, age, race, and membership of the Traveller community. The word sex isn't mentioned.

So no sex-based protections or rights?

Meaningless waffle. I want to ask him to explain very succinctly to describe a female gender identity so I can know if I’ve got one or not.

So can people with the protected characteristic of religion object to the suggestion that babies are born in the wrong body on theological basis?

One would think the suggestion God made such a profound error would be a serious one for many people with faith.
I believe the Pope has made comments about transgender ideology

I just despair, it's all so depressing and stupid and desperate to be more inclusive and woke than everyone else.

Just such utter tosh. We're back to "a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman" which means absolutely nothing. You can't identify as something that doesn't exist.

Men are so delighted at this turn of events, where they can erase the reality of womanhood whilst patronising the woman they're harming as they're dong it. It's the ultimate male fantasy, like you say, putting us back in the box.

Name and shame the organisation.

What’s the statute you have in Ireland? Go look it up and paste link here. I’ll have a look see.

Not to detract or anything, but I’ve heard chihuahuas can be vicious. and horrible men on bikes deserve to be attacked by them.

The genderfree thread might help you, also can this be an HR matter? That makes it sound serious but I don't see how your identity (as a biological female) is any less important than anyone else's so it is kind of serious. He was sort of being polite but also dismissive and patronising, he sounds like a total arse and I'm fuming with you!

Are there any other members on the website who might also be pissed off? Could you get advice from WPUK? I would want to challenge it but it's tricky waters to navigate.

".... how we now language identity ....". So language is a verb now, is it? That alone deserves a rocket up the arse, never mind the rest of his crap.

Meaningless waffle. I want to ask him to explain very succinctly to describe a female gender identity so I can know if I’ve got one or not.

Yes, do this, would love to see his answer! Though it will probably be a circular one (anyone who feels like a women is a woman...).

I would pick them up on ‘international standards’ - Is the G&LAD really an organisation that can ‘set international standards’? Or is it just a trans lobby group? And are there any other groups that are able to provide better international standard definitions?!?

@Juells I feel for you. I’m also in Ireland, I realized only about a year ago that sex is not protected here

@Elletorro
What’s the statute you have in Ireland? Go look it up and paste link here. I’ll have a look see.

Does this give the information?

www.ihrec.ie/your-rights/human-rights-law-ireland/

The omission of sex as a protected characteristic is horrifying.

Women and girls as a group have been oppressed snce as far back as we know and continue to be so. Ireland has an appalling history, recent history, of treatment of women and girls.

The omission is therefore quite telling? It's deliberate. Who has got at them and when? The roots of this are deep eg NHS uk doing single sex ward policy in 90s but internal documents show that not just was it actually single gender not single sex, but that the nhs had concerns, that were cast aside, and moreover they were told to call it single sex so as not to 'confuse' the public. This was in the 90s ffs.

How and when did Ireland take protected characteristic of sex out? Was it ever there?

I'd like to reassure @Chickenish that the chihuahas were properly under control, on leads, and at no time was any man in danger. 😆

I would like to point out to him that 'we', whoever 'we' are, have erased my identity on the advice of an American lobby group. Who decided they were a suitable organisation to spread the light?

This organisation is funded by the Arts Council, so I suspect it has a high number of blue-haired members.