Labour debate what's happening on Birmingham schools today

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I'm on holiday, so don't get much access to the net. Can anyone tell me how the debate went?

No, it is part of No Outsiders in primary school. I don't care what the Iman said. I do care that people who should know better are deliberately framing it as homophobia and ignoring the trans element.

If the "No Outsiders" programme is for teaching about the Equality Act surely it would be teaching about the correct protected characteristics, which specifically are not about "transgender" or "gender" but are about "gender reassignment" [transsexualism] and sex [natural / biological].

Nowhere in any relevant UK statute is the term "transgender", "gender" or "gender identity" used.

[Neither are the terms "transwoman", "transman" or "transgender child". In fact, the GRA 2004 specifically rules out any concept of a "transgender child" by stating that it applies to those aged 18 years and over. The GRA 2004 refers explicitly to "transsexuals" and this is carried over in to the Equality Act 2010m wherein "gender reassignment" applies only to "transsexuals".

So, the "No Outsiders" programme deliberately misrepresents the Equality Act 2010.

One wonders what the "No Outsiders" programme teaches about relationships specific to those between females and males?

Or is it only about "Queering the Primary Classroom"?

www.transgendertrend.com/no-outsiders-queering-primary-classroom/

The book ‘my princess boy’ has been discussed here and used for lessons in primary schools where I live. The LGBT guidance on the county council website recommends a number of books in a similar vein

I have browsed Andrew Moffat’s website, which is recommended to teachers here and while I’m perfectly happy with most of the stuff there, the emphasis on teaching children about ‘transgender’ makes me very unhappy

I haven't seen the literature they are using, I can't imagine an Imam would be endorsing telling 5 year old they were born in the wrong body. Maybe you know different Imams to me.

I feel uncomfortable about schools not sharing material.

If I hadn't requested the material from my child's secondary Stonewall Champion School, I would never have seen the material that's being pushed.
It's factually incorrect, sexist, hompophobic and interphobic.
Oh, and dominated by the 'T'

The book ‘my princess boy’ has been discussed here and used for lessons in primary schools where I live. The LGBT guidance on the county council website recommends a number of books in a similar vein Is that Birmingham, is it the school concerned?

I presume not everything is taught in reception. I mean algebra is on the maths curriculum but it isn't usually where the 4 year olds start. So if what they start with in reception is treating each other with respect, accepting all families aren't going to be the same that seems a good place to start.

the emphasis on teaching children about ‘transgender’ makes me very unhappy

Indeed, since it is effectively teaching children a blatant lie.

No child should ever be taught, in any degree, that their natural sex can be changed.

The problem with this, thedevondumpling, is that the truth is very hard to find. All the news sources are biased (as they are about everything). The local MP says there is "a frenzy of hatred against parents – mostly young mothers – who have done nothing wrong other than be good mothers who want to express concerns about what their children are telling them." He also said parents "are worried about a lack of consultation by the school, and about the "age appropriateness" of the lessons."

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/mp-roger-godsiff-says-victim-16485389

If we could all see what materials are being used and how the issues are being taught, it would be easier to see if there was actually a problem. As it is, we're all in the dark. If you know more about this maybe you could post it here.

I’m simply saying that teachers following recommended practice from Mr Moffat have ended up teaching children where I live things that I consider to be sexist and regressive, and dismissive of the rights of women and girls

And I can assure you I’m no homophobe

As it is, we're all in the dark. If you know more about this maybe you could post it here. I haven't seen it but I think the Imam was quite genuine, he was from the Muslim Council as far as I remember and I can't see why he would be lying about what he saw.

I went to school at a Catholic school close to Anderton Park but I don't have access to their resources. Have the parents gone to the 1 to 1 meetings and seen the material? I don't think that was clear in what I read.

This seems pertinent:

www.thecollegefix.com/professor-warns-children-are-particularly-susceptible-to-transgender-ideology/

I can't imagine an Imam would be endorsing telling 5 year old they were born in the wrong body.

Was the imam aware of everything that was being taught?

You seem very content to go with the view of one single individual. I suggest reading a bit more widely about what's going on and look at what others are saying.

Have the parents gone to the 1 to 1 meetings and seen the material? I don't think that was clear in what I read.

I did see one news article that said that some mothers who went to the meetings to view the material had poor English, but weren't allowed to take the material home for their families to read.

OldCrone well he said he'd seen the resources they were using. I'm not going with one man, I quoted the man who is mediating, local MPs but you aren't open to considering anything other than the baying mob outside the school led by someone's uncle who decided he didn't like it.

I did see one news article that said that some mothers who went to the meetings to view the material had poor English, but weren't allowed to take the material home for their families to read. Well plenty of Muslim in the area have good English, of course uncle probably needs to approve it. We can't have silly women deciding.

Should be Muslim women not Muslim.

If you're interested, dumpling go on the transgender trend website. You seem to be overly reliant on what one Iman is saying

I'm not relying on one man, I have quoted Mr Afzal the mediator, the Imam, other Birmingham MPs but like I said before don't let the truth get in the way of a good moan.

Why don't you try the transgender trend website? You might find it interesting.

I presume not everything is taught in reception. I mean algebra is on the maths curriculum but it isn't usually where the 4 year olds start. So if what they start with in reception is treating each other with respect, accepting all families aren't going to be the same that seems a good place to start.

If they were teaching about transgender to older children they wouldn’t be using My Princess Boy as material.

It is aimed at very young children.

I think if we have to choose between protecting children from being transed ( catstration, mastectomy, puberty blockers, lifelong dependency on hormones) and promoting LGB rights we have no choice but to speak up against whatever the hell LGBT has become and protect the children.

LGB is going to end up taking a hit for the stupid trans.

Lesbians are saying Get the L Out but it stays in because anyone can be a lesbian these days.

The interesting thing about the Hansard report from that debate is how many men who are not parents contributed to it and projected an adult agenda, knowing about the LGBT agenda but knowing nothing about child development:

www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2019-06-25a.607.3&p=10231

If they were teaching about transgender to older children they wouldn’t be using My Princess Boy as material. Are they using that book at Anderton Park?

Why don't you try the transgender trend website? You might find it interesting. I know transgender people, not interested in website. I take it they aren't using it at the school so not really relevant.

How odd that you're not interested in expanding your knowledge on this.