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GC Academics Targeted for Signing Sunday Times Letter

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RosaFreedman1983 · 23/06/2019 04:50

From today's Sunday Times

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/academic-faces-sack-for-letter-to-sunday-times-that-criticised-trans-training-gnbr8gxgm

Academic faces sack for letter to Sunday Times that criticised training on trans issues
Sian Griffiths and Ewan Somerville

A lecturer who signed an open letter to The Sunday Times criticising LGBT training in universities has been threatened with being sacked as an editor of an academic journal unless she recants.

Sarah Honeychurch, a fellow in the Adam Smith Business School at Glasgow University, was among more than 30 academics who signed the letter in last week’s Sunday Times. It registered “disquiet” over a programme run by the charity Stonewall in which “anti-scientific claims are presented . . . as objective fact”.

The guidance includes instructing academics on using gender neutral pronouns such as “zie” and “ey”, as well as insisting that “one in 100 are born with an intersex trait” and that trans women should be allowed to use female changing rooms.

The letter was organised by Kathleen Stock, a professor at Sussex University. Many lecturers believe academic freedom to debate trans issues is being stifled on campus.

Last week Honeychurch, an editor of the journal Hybrid Pedagogy, received a formal email from Chris Friend, the managing editor, stating: “Unless I have misunderstood the intentions of the letter or the convictions of your signature, I must ask that you resign your position as editor for HPJ.”

Honeychurch said she had been branded a transphobe by students for signing the letter and was worried that her academic contract might not be renewed at Glasgow. But she was not going to back down.

“I’m not going to recant — I signed that letter after hard thought because people get so much abuse simply for wanting discussion,” she said.

Another signatory of the Sunday Times letter, Michele Moore, honorary professor at Essex University, who has edited the journal Disability & Society for many years, is also facing calls to resign after warning that autistic and other children might be harmed if they are wrongly encouraged to question their gender, which could lead to taking hormones and later surgery.

A petition from 750 colleagues calls on her to step down. She said her career hung in the balance because of the campaign, but the journal’s publishers and people from around the world were being supportive.

She added: “Somebody has to say we will talk about the potential harm of transgenderism of children, as many with autism or other social learning problems are being caught up in this.”

Stock said any academic who examined gender identity critically faced intense hostility.

Today more than 1,000 academics have signed a counter letter to The Sunday Times denying that the Stonewall “diversity champions” programme is a threat to academic freedom.

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AnotherLass · 23/06/2019 05:27

Chris Friend is an American www.digitalpedagogylab.com/speaker/chris-friend/

I think that he is probably just ignorant, not a committed ideologue. I can't see anything on trans stuff in his twitter feed at all twitter.com/chris_friend?lang=en

We could write and try to explain the situation to him?

Pota2 · 23/06/2019 06:21

Does anyone have a share token or list of the 1000 academics who signed the counter-letter that appeared in the ST today?

This is terrifying.

Pota2 · 23/06/2019 06:31

Oh thanks igne but it was actually this one I wanted to see:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/letter-to-the-editor-dons-speak-up-for-stonewall-trans-programme-5m5jkxk3c

I just wanted to see who had signed it. I also want to keep a record of all the people who have actively tried to wreck careers, stifle opinions and create a horrific environment just for having a different viewpoint. I am hopeful that the world will eventually wake up and I don’t want anyone to be able to weasel out of it then.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 23/06/2019 06:33

unless she recants.

Recant: say that one no longer holds an opinion or belief, especially one considered heretical.

The language has interestingly religious overtones doesn’t it? It’s not about having more facts or making discoveries or critical evaluation of current belief; it’s about publicly denouncing a personal belief in heresy.

For those who refuse to renounce heresy, (in theological terms), the sentence was excommunication and and often death. In this case careers are being burned at the stake.

If anything you’d hope that universities would embrace the heterodox, but the current state of play suggests an authoritarian insistence on the tenets of faith.

Pota2 · 23/06/2019 06:35

Thank you Igne!!

Igneococcus · 23/06/2019 06:35

Comes with handy pronouns.
I'm actually glad I work in industry now, wanted to get back into academia for years, but sod that.

Pota2 · 23/06/2019 06:55

Yes, it’s so handy because otherwise I would have no idea that someone called Ian was a man. Also why she/her? Is it not enough to say she? Do they think we’re so moronic that we don’t know the rules of grammar? And if so, why not she/her/hers? So many questions....

drspouse · 23/06/2019 07:16

Some of them say she/they or give several alternatives.

Pota2 · 23/06/2019 07:27

Yes, I like to have options. How thoughtful. The ironic thing is that the trans people I know absolutely loathe the way that very clearly non-trans and gender-conforming people think they can score woke points by clarifying the blatantly obvious to people. I also think that academics who require their whole class to state pronouns in front of everyone could be doing more harm than good to those who are not comfortable with it or who are feeling confused.

AnyOldPrion · 23/06/2019 07:30

we register our support for the inclusion and safety of all staff and students,

Every fucking time. The open implication that somehow a belief in biological science and free speech somehow threatens safety. Have they seen Kathleen Stock? Been to any gender critical meetings?

We’re fighting fantasists.

1984in2019 · 23/06/2019 07:30

Well at least one* of the list is just an undergraduate student, did they struggle to find 100 professionals?
I note also at least one overseas US university.
*i chose one random name that didn’t have an academic prefix and looked them up.

OrchidInTheSun · 23/06/2019 07:34

I saw their letter doing the rounds on twitter. They invited anyone who was in any way involved in education anywhere in the world - so students basically - to sign.

NotTerfNorCis · 23/06/2019 07:45

I saw someone sign who had no connection to academia at all- he just wanted to be supportive.

I bet there were quite a few of those.

OldCrone · 23/06/2019 07:45

we register our support for the inclusion and safety of all staff and students

Unless you're a woman who doesn't believe in gender ideology.

GCAcademic · 23/06/2019 07:45

Well at least one of the list is just an undergraduate student, did they struggle to find 100 professionals?

Loads of them are PhD students. Also, most of the signatories in my institution are in maths and engineering type roles. From experience, I know that many people in these departments have no idea of why academic freedom is important, and how it is threatened, because it’s simply never an issue for them. They have little idea of what colleagues in humanities departments do.

Jammerjimmer · 23/06/2019 07:56

Agree GC. I also noted a number of administrators - people who never have to deal with issues of academic freedom.

Pota2 · 23/06/2019 07:56

To be fair though, there are lots of profs on there and most are not students- they are academics. I don’t think most of them truly believe what they are saying or understand the real issues but they like the woke cred they get and for lots of them, it’s a great chance to indulge in misogyny without consequences.

Sally Hines posted some nonsense about how those who were ‘TERFs’ are apparently also always anti sex workers and any porn and that’s terrible. She was then pulled up on that by Finn Mackay who does speak some nonsense but mostly a lot of sense who pointed out that opposing the porn industry does not mean hating those who work in it. Sally then adds a caveat that when she wrote her original tweet, she had not considered the important work of not only Finn but also DWORKIN and MACKINNON. Wtf. Both Dworkin and Mackinnon’s entire body of work is explicitly built on opposing porn and prostitution and calling for abolition. Absolutely no room for manoeuvre or nuances there. So it shows Hines to be beyond thick yet again.

Jammerjimmer · 23/06/2019 08:06

Most academics want to be welcoming to students. Many will be coming at it from that angle. The letter is very muted - it doesn't really say much beyond we want to keep stonewall coming into universities to tell staff how to be nice to trans people. It doesn't state what the specific and controversial demands of some trans activists actually are.

DancingRaven · 23/06/2019 08:31

Either some are trolling or something is amiss with these two signatories

GC Academics Targeted for Signing Sunday Times Letter
GC Academics Targeted for Signing Sunday Times Letter
Pota2 · 23/06/2019 08:36

Ha!

Pota2 · 23/06/2019 08:39

Although just looked them up. Gillian Donaldson-Selby is trans and uses those pronouns on twitter profile. So I don’t think it’s trolling. Maybe the Times readers will be eye-rolling though

DancingRaven · 23/06/2019 08:45

Going to use Milady from now on

drspouse · 23/06/2019 08:46

Judging by the other woman's tweets, she knows what female means.

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