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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

GC Academics Targeted for Signing Sunday Times Letter

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RosaFreedman1983 · 23/06/2019 04:50

From today's Sunday Times

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/academic-faces-sack-for-letter-to-sunday-times-that-criticised-trans-training-gnbr8gxgm

Academic faces sack for letter to Sunday Times that criticised training on trans issues
Sian Griffiths and Ewan Somerville

A lecturer who signed an open letter to The Sunday Times criticising LGBT training in universities has been threatened with being sacked as an editor of an academic journal unless she recants.

Sarah Honeychurch, a fellow in the Adam Smith Business School at Glasgow University, was among more than 30 academics who signed the letter in last week’s Sunday Times. It registered “disquiet” over a programme run by the charity Stonewall in which “anti-scientific claims are presented . . . as objective fact”.

The guidance includes instructing academics on using gender neutral pronouns such as “zie” and “ey”, as well as insisting that “one in 100 are born with an intersex trait” and that trans women should be allowed to use female changing rooms.

The letter was organised by Kathleen Stock, a professor at Sussex University. Many lecturers believe academic freedom to debate trans issues is being stifled on campus.

Last week Honeychurch, an editor of the journal Hybrid Pedagogy, received a formal email from Chris Friend, the managing editor, stating: “Unless I have misunderstood the intentions of the letter or the convictions of your signature, I must ask that you resign your position as editor for HPJ.”

Honeychurch said she had been branded a transphobe by students for signing the letter and was worried that her academic contract might not be renewed at Glasgow. But she was not going to back down.

“I’m not going to recant — I signed that letter after hard thought because people get so much abuse simply for wanting discussion,” she said.

Another signatory of the Sunday Times letter, Michele Moore, honorary professor at Essex University, who has edited the journal Disability & Society for many years, is also facing calls to resign after warning that autistic and other children might be harmed if they are wrongly encouraged to question their gender, which could lead to taking hormones and later surgery.

A petition from 750 colleagues calls on her to step down. She said her career hung in the balance because of the campaign, but the journal’s publishers and people from around the world were being supportive.

She added: “Somebody has to say we will talk about the potential harm of transgenderism of children, as many with autism or other social learning problems are being caught up in this.”

Stock said any academic who examined gender identity critically faced intense hostility.

Today more than 1,000 academics have signed a counter letter to The Sunday Times denying that the Stonewall “diversity champions” programme is a threat to academic freedom.

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Pota2 · 23/06/2019 08:56

Interesting that they chose to publish in the Times. Most of them never shut up about how it’s a transphobic cesspit and have lambasted Kathleen et al for publishing there. I am guessing the rules don’t apply the other way round.

OvaHere · 23/06/2019 09:13

They never apply the other way around. Cyclepath blathered on endlessly about how feminists that appeared on Fox News were in bed with Nazi's then happily took a spot there themselves.

LassOfFyvie · 23/06/2019 09:18

Yes, it’s so handy because otherwise I would have no idea that someone called Ian was a man. Also why she/her? Is it not enough to say she? Do they think we’re so moronic that we don’t know the rules of grammar? And if so, why not she/her/hers? So many questions....

I was extremely irritated by the pronouns.

Floisme · 23/06/2019 09:30

Even if I knew nothing about the issue I would look at all those pronouns and think what a set of bellends.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/06/2019 09:32

I saw a Twitter rally cry for the counter letter. What a bunch of dewy eyed nuts. ‘I’m not in education or in the UK but I wanna sign’ ‘you are so brave!’ Bla bla bla. Not much quality.

SophoclesTheFox · 23/06/2019 09:32

Oh man, the pronouns attached to the signatories made me roll my eyes so hard this morning I’ve still got eye strain.

Pointless, brainless virtue signalling. Tells you everything you need to know about how little actual critical thought the signatories have put into this. So Ian has let us know he’s a man- stop fucking press, Ian, you don’t say!

Cultish nonsense.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/06/2019 09:34

Well it gives a handy list of people to avoid I suppose... so I call you xi/xo/yo-yo/whatever - that makes your life better how exactly?

aliasundercover · 23/06/2019 09:35

what a set of bellends

Transphobe! Some of them are front bottoms!

Pota2 · 23/06/2019 09:39

I just dread the time that will inevitably come when academic conference attendance will involve compulsory pronoun badges.

I am already apparently a hateful bigot because I don’t dedicate the first seminar of each year to checking my students’ pronouns and offering them badges that I have bought online

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/06/2019 09:43

“My pronoun is ‘fuck off’” (oh yes I deffo would!)

SpinsterOfArts · 23/06/2019 09:43

So many performative pronouns. 'Milady' is especially baffling if the person isn't a troll. I've done historical re-enactment, it's good fun, but taking it into your everyday life is decidedly weird.

I'm starting a PhD in a few months so now I have a handy list of academics at my institution to avoid.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/06/2019 10:01

Can we tweet our own suggestions do silly wee badges? My pronoun isn’t there and it is literally killing me! Would they do a him/her one?🤔

Whatever happened to ‘don’t label me’?

Floisme · 23/06/2019 10:01

What are we supposed to do with those pronouns - memorise them?
Such a stupid thing for - allegedly - clever people to do. Instead of coming across as kind and inclusive they've made themselves look like pompous, authoritarian wankers. (I take alia's point and have chosen a gender neutral term.)

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 23/06/2019 10:10

In terms of queer theory (which has gained ground in academia): I'm not an expert (nor a fan) but I think it's all about destabilizing and getting rid of boundaries. In this case it seems the boundaries to what you're allowed to say are all on the LGBTQ++++++ side. So the GC academics are the ones pushing boundaries and challenging the norm. In academia, believing in science now appears to be the outside, transgressive opinion. How does queer theory deal with that?

Manderleyagain · 23/06/2019 10:17

What are her legal options regarding unfair dismissal etc? Probably limited for a role like that?

Deliriumoftheendless · 23/06/2019 10:17

“Badges? We ain't got no badges! We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinking badges!“

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 23/06/2019 10:23

Also, regarding pronouns, it's a wonder they ever manage to get a degree and learn anything if they're spending so much time discussing, memorising and trying to correctly use each others pronouns.

But maybe they just identify as people who know anything about their subject. Maybe you don't actually have to learn these days. Thank Goddess medics, lawyers or engineers don't seem to go in for this rubbish - or we'll have surgeons who simply identify as such, have no actual knowledge and we'll all end up dead when we go to have an operation, engineers who can't build bridges that will stand up / aeroplanes that fly etc etc.

Floisme · 23/06/2019 10:31

But anyway sniggering aside - and I've done it as much as anyone - if this is the state of thinking in our leading universities then that's not funny at all. Flowers to Sarah Honeychurch and to anyone who has to work there.

OvaHere · 23/06/2019 10:42

It's not doing much for the image of higher education.Coming at a time when it costs a huge amount to put a young person through a degree whether that is via parental financial support or the student accruing the debt themselves.

I really encouraged my eldest child to embrace higher education but I'm not sure I'm going to feel the same way about my youngest (large age gap).

LassOfFyvie · 23/06/2019 10:43

Thank Goddess medics, lawyers or engineers don't seem to go in for this rubbish -

One of the signatories is a senior lecturer in mechanical engineering at Robert Gordon's University (Pronouns he/him)

Pota2 · 23/06/2019 10:43

Floisme no, it’s not funny. It’s so awful every time you see someone who you used to respect add their name to a petition calling for someone to be fired for having a view they disagree with. I have lost all respect for these ‘allies’ and I will not forget their behaviour.

Pota2 · 23/06/2019 10:44

Lass people from all those disciplines definitely go for this rubbish. Don’t believe the myth that it’s only sociologists. It is everyone.

Floisme · 23/06/2019 10:47

Flowers to you too Pota2 I get my laughs wherever I can but it must be horrendous trying to survive in there.

LassOfFyvie · 23/06/2019 10:48

One of the signatories (he/him) is a reader in Medicine, Medical Sciences & Nutrition at Aberdeen.

It's too boring to check everyone but none of my friends in academia are signatories.