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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Can someone explain...

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Wizbetisanizbet · 20/06/2019 07:33

Why this is transphobic? I believe that it was written by a transsexual person and seems quite sensible to me. The TRA's are kicking off on Twitter over it calling it Transphobic.

Can someone explain...
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Wizbetisanizbet · 20/06/2019 09:58

@Beingnicetomyself this is why I think that the concept of gender puts people in boxes and labels them. You like pink? You are a girl. You like blue? You are a boy. Come on.

That's why it is important to dismantle these labels and ensure the institutions start using sex as a descriptor not gender. Unfortunately our political elite are rubbish.

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Wizbetisanizbet · 20/06/2019 10:00

Anyway I'm going of tangent. So I'm going to have a cup of tea and a bit of cake

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Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 20/06/2019 10:01

As a woman I would kick off big time if I was told that being ‘modest and polite’ was the answer to violence and personal attacks (we’ve been told that for centuries and it’s bloody unacceptable) I understand why a trans person would find this unacceptable too.

My feelings too.

I'm also uncomfortable with the just dress/walk/talk better aspect. For those with gender dysphasia or mental health it's a poor message.

I understand who this is aimed at, and some of the advice is sage, I just don't think the messages about treating women & women's spaces with respect should be conflated with the other stuff.

AnyOldPrion · 20/06/2019 10:02

Also as a parody of appeals to female socialisation.

Yup, I was thinking that too. If it was aimed at women, telling them to be more subservient, it would cause equal amusement and outrage.

Whatever its intent, I can see it misses its mark, especially after seeing the discussion here.

If it was indeed written by a transsexual, I could easily see it as being written in extreme frustration at current events. If you’d transitioned years ago, lived your life quietly and peacefully and not experienced much transphobia or push back, then the TRA and self-ID pushers jumping in to the equation, causing many more people to be angry with trans issues in general, then presumably this might be how you feel. And that would explain the message about how to try to fit in.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 20/06/2019 10:03

Good point Any
It makes more sense if read that way.

FloralBunting · 20/06/2019 10:18

Yes, I actually read it as something that a transsexual somewhat sympathetic to women, like Debbie Hayton, might have written.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 20/06/2019 10:48

I've just realised my spell check has made a joke by changing gender dysphoria to dysphagia. Grin

Gender Dysphasia would be a condition in which you misspeak about gender. Hmm.

BjornAgain81 · 20/06/2019 17:40

Whilst I don't agree with the TRA lobby, I think it's clear that the reason this would annoy them is because it'd be viewed as victim blaming.

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