Alice Roberts - what the hell?

[GenderApostate19]

I can’t tell you how utterly disappointed I feel by her comments about Sex and reproduction not being binary. She knows the truth, what the hell is she doing? I’m even more upset by her than by Sarah Champion, she’s a Scientist ffs.

soup of genetic material

Is that a scientific term irridium? I don’t recognise it.

The genetic conditions and anomalies you have described (rather opaquely) do not equate to additional sexes. Nor do they show evidence that humans can change sex.

Would you like to try again? Or shall we just accept that both you and AR are struggling a bit here with your evidence.

soup of genetic material

Life is a minestrone?

@HumberHellRaiser - 'genetic soup' isn't a scientific term?

Must try harder - 'smorgasbord?' I guess we have to accept that some of us on this board (including yours truly) are to science what the Swedish Chef was to cookery ...

But on a related note, how helpful is it to leap on the treadmill [to nowhere] argument that not only gender, but sex too, exist as a spectrum? It might release us from certain social obligations and conventions. But does it rescue us from the inconvenient biological certainty that every human living on this planet was conceived via a male and a female until 1978, or, since then, at the very least from a male plus a female gamete? Now as a self-confessed non-scientist I might be missing a trick, but it seems likely to me that no amount of spectruming or constructivism versus essentialism is going to rescue humanity from that particular biological predicament.

As to where the line stands between social constructivism and biological essentialism, show me an anatomist who can definitively answer that dilemma and I'll be pointing at the next Nobel Prize winner ...

I'm eating 3 bean soup for my lunch. It's full of (bean) genetic material.

Beans are literally gametes, never really thought of that. It's literally genetic soup. Ewwwww 🤢
You've put me off three bean soup for life now

(i realise that is not strictly accurate, before A Scientist comes along and corrects me)

...And 10cc took their name from something very gamete related. Something about the Average Man...

I am never eating caviar again in my life.

Scrambled egg? 🤢

Oh, that's cute. AR has said that every woman who disagrees with her does so because Graham Linehan sparked us into it.

Lots of women got very pissed off by AR's suggestions that women don't have minds of their own while she played nicey nice with the man (QC Jolyon) who blocked lots of women for not deferring to his manly authority, including Julie Bindel.

So she's protected her tweets again.

#PublicEngagementWhatPublicEngagement?

It's heartbreaking watching AR and JM. Two of the most privileged people around, using their influence and platforms to aid the dismantling of women's rights.

Given that they can pretty much do as they please, I wonder why they are so bothered by the feminists who they in turn slander, smear, block or decry as being a tiny minority? I wonder if deep inside, they have consciences after all?

Sorry I've not kept up or read the full thread from where ever I got up to last; I just wanted to pop this in as I believe she did a huge u turn care of the humanists.

I watched the documentary linked to this article and she was vehemently arguing against there being stereotyped differences between the sexes in terms of brains - expression of personality and ability.

So she's either towing a line or doing some serious self denial / cognitive dissonance, as based on this documentary she'd be fully rad fem t*rf.

Is your brain male or female? www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29405467

Unless it was all for the camera; Mosley was presenting evidence for differences, she against, but she was really very passionate.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04knbny

And dr fond of beetles rocks.

i googled this person to see who she is and was shocked to find she is the woman im watching on H2 on Dig for Britain. i liked her

I know, it's really sad.

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Waiter, waiter there's a Y in my soup

Waiter, waiter there's a Y in my soup

Hahaaaaa!!

That's really interesting neuro

There's that thingy she wrote just after having her DC too about how females are treated poorly based on their biology. Do you know the thing I mean? (was it maybe a book excerpt?) Damn terfy it was.
Was it linked in this thread when it first started?

Scientists just need to stop trying to sound authoritative about this really.

Because gender and gender norms have fuck all to do with science*.

It baffles me how many real life science types end up conflating gender and sex in these arguments.

*unless you're talking sociology, and whether sociology is a 'proper' science is a whole other debate

Gah bold fail.

One reason why I'm not willing to give Roberts the benefit of the doubt is that I trained and worked as a scientist and one fundamental thing I learned was to know and respect the limitations of my knowledge.

Times have moved on. Now it seems that if you have a sufficiently prominent social media presence you can disregard the limitation of your knowledge.

That's being a shit scientist in my book.

AR has said that every woman who disagrees with her does so because Graham Linehan sparked us into it.

Imagine when she latches on that at least half the terven community think poor old Glinner is way too milquetoast about it all!

Perhaps she'll move on from Woke creationism and become the first posthumous supporter of the theory of spontaneous human combustion!

This is all so extremely surreal. I respected Alice so much and now I am just looking at her Twitter feed and the only thought that comes to mind is 'are you on drugs?'

I was in New York two weeks ago. I rushed over to visit my very ill parent. I could only afford to stay in the YMCA. It was a nice clean place but the female shower and loos (not the men's, I wonder why) had a note outside saying access to it was based on self-identification. Now New York is lovely and all and full of wonderful people but it's also pretty intimidating in some ways. There is a lot of deprivation and poverty and an undercurrent of aggression in some parts of it. The YMCA in Harlem in particular houses homeless people and drug addicts on some floors. The shower room had glass fronted doors to the showers. In theory they had a little frosting on each door but walking in you could see everything. I have experienced abuse. It was absolutely hideous washing in there. I tried going in at 4 in the morning to guarantee time alone in there and it was still being used by people then. I knew I would be very unlucky to come across a man exploiting the YMCA's attempt at kindness but I still couldn't shake my fear. Did I need that that week? Like hell did I. But thank you Alice Roberts for the part you're playing in making women like me feel horribly unsafe and vulnerable. Things are only going to get worse.