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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 18/06/2019 22:20

I saw the second letter shared. Someone posted angrily that bigotry is terrible and people should be allowed to love who they want.
The cluelessness was astonishing.

GCAcademic · 18/06/2019 22:22

Pink News? You do get your news from the funniest sources! I’m an academic and I can promise you that the overwhelming majority of my colleagues are gender critical. They just won’t sign a letter like the Times one because they are scared of the pitchforks.

bunslinger · 18/06/2019 22:39

The second letter is not just for academics.

Gender Critical academics a tiny minority
ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 18/06/2019 22:48

You can make your links clicky by adding and around them.

On this occasion though I'm pretty sure no one cares what Penis News has to say.

FloralBunting · 18/06/2019 22:49

Well, I'm very glad not to give Pink News clicks. And thanks to the imperious but lazy plopping visitor, I dont have to because they haven't made it clicky.

What a terrible shame. Oh well.

Redshoeblueshoe · 18/06/2019 22:52
Biscuit Wine for the grown ups
OvaHere · 18/06/2019 22:56

I very much doubt the majority of academics believe people can actually change sex despite what Penis News says. I imagine most keep quiet for self preservation.

2BthatUnnoticed · 18/06/2019 23:14

You can believe that:

(A) trans people are valid, authentic, should have the same rights as everyone else and should be treated socially as their chosen gender; and

(B) women and girls need sex-based protections.

All the academics I know believe the above. But they are junior or on short-term contracts. If they said it publicly they would lose their jobs and possibly their careers.

Beamur · 18/06/2019 23:20

Conversation with a friend a few weeks ago. I think she was testing the reactions of a few non work friends. (She's an academic)
She'd been part of a conversation with colleagues, someone had said something GC and the other colleague had shut down all conversation and silenced any dissent. As an intelligent, senior woman I think she was deeply shocked to find herself afraid to say anything more.
Afraid...
I'm quite openly GC in conversation so we chatted. Amongst my friends and colleagues, GC is the norm, not the exception. There are a few who just don't want to talk about this (I think they are deeply conflicted) and a few who go along with TWAW. But we can talk about specific issues fairly amicably.
I get the impression a lot of female academics are GC but are silenced by the university atmosphere.
I think many are very surprised to find themselves in this position.

nonsenceagain · 18/06/2019 23:25

Agree with 2B though I know plenty of senior/tenured academics who are GC. Most are too frightened to take a public stand, but they are there, resisting in various ways.

Howyoualldoworkme · 18/06/2019 23:30

It's not just academics that are afraid. It's a pervasive atmosphere throughout universities from support staff on through.
But then a transgender barrister might have an agenda with attempting to minimize the number of GC academics.

Apollo440 · 18/06/2019 23:36

I personally know two GC academics (in Gender studies formally Women's studies field) who are too intimidated to speak out for fear of losing their jobs. They tell me it is a few ideologues forcing compliance and virtually all their colleagues are GC but want a quiet life.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 19/06/2019 00:12

Yes, I am friends with a number of female academics. All GC but afraid to show this at work for fear of retribution - both in terms of their job and also more frightening forms of intimidation such as happened to Rosa Freedman (pissing against her door and threats of physical violence IIRC) . What a lovely work environment where the women are afraid to voice their honestly held opinions that biology matters.

BettyFilous · 19/06/2019 00:27

Let’s not forget that UCU has got squarely behind the TWAW line and recently voted down a motion on academic freedom of speech (Shock). I expect many GC academics do not have confidence that their union would have their back in a disciplinary case or tribunal. It stinks.

BeansandRice · 19/06/2019 17:07

They just won’t sign a letter like the Times one because they are scared of the pitchforks

The disciplinaries
The doxxing
The attempts to get us sacked
Not to mention the kind of violent abuse women like Professor Stock receive.

nauticant · 19/06/2019 17:22

The responses to this tweet made me laugh:

twitter.com/PriyamvadaGopal/status/1140907703323254785

twicemummy1 · 19/06/2019 17:27

@2BthatUnnoticed So academics believe people should be treated socially as their chosen gender? Does that mean use of pronouns? Like the woman who was ordered to call her rapist "she" by a judge? Gender reinforces the subordination of women, so why would academics be in support of a member of the oppressor class play acting female subordination?

umbel · 19/06/2019 17:29

A GC lesbian friend told me today that the LGBT staff network at her academic institution is pushing LGBT staff to sign a letter in opposition this Times article. They were asked to reply to an email stating whether they were in favour or not. No option to object anonymously; no recognition that to openly object in such a manner might be hugely problematic for GCs. Angry

GCAcademic · 19/06/2019 17:37

Primamvada Gopal is one of the most insufferable narcissists ever to have worked in academia. And it’s not like there isn’t hefty competition.

GCAcademic · 19/06/2019 17:38

Oh, I spelt her name wrong. Never mind.

Ereshkigal · 19/06/2019 17:42

A GC lesbian friend told me today that the LGBT staff network at her academic institution is pushing LGBT staff to sign a letter in opposition this Times article. They were asked to reply to an email stating whether they were in favour or not. No option to object anonymously; no recognition that to openly object in such a manner might be hugely problematic for GCs.

I imagine that's deliberate, to intimidate people. I think I'd pretend not to have received the email or "accidentally" delete it.

Ereshkigal · 19/06/2019 17:44

Also think that's inappropriate in the workplace. You shouldn't be forced to share your political views with other staff.

crsacre · 19/06/2019 17:51

Priyamvada Gopal is one of the most insufferable narcissists ever to have woked in academia.

(Fixed typos for you, GCacademic!)

SarahPickles · 19/06/2019 18:16

Most are too scared to speak out.

Nobody wants student pissing against their doors.

I note that the second letter was signed by "anyone" who has ever worked in ANY CAPACITY for a university. Dinner lady, janitor, etc.

GCAcademic · 19/06/2019 18:24

Lol, thanks for that crsacre!