Disconnect between all the trans stuff and the public's view

[StealthPolarBear]

Bear with me, long and rambling.
When society has changed in the past, most recently on gay marriage I think, most people knew it was going on and it was broadly supported, although I'm sure there were a sizeable majority that opposed it for various reasons.
This trans stuff and the concept of gender fluidity isn't even on most people's radar. The vast majority of people believe (as do I) that you're male or female. Most believe men can wear dresses and boys can play with dolls and that girls can climb trees and get muddy. But that on the whole boys are boys and girla are girls. So where is this huge wave of trans issues and trans policies and changes coming from? And why does no one actually seem to notice or comment?

I don't know, but they're indoctrinating the young with it, and they often accept it without question because they don't know anything else. It's trendy. Gender has become a youth identity fad.

People were already heavily policed as to what they could and could not say in the workplace, and the trans issue is just another extension of that.

Outside of work, given that there are very few trans people, it doesn’t have an impact on most people until they come into contact with services at which point they are generally already in a crisis and can’t deal with objecting anyway.

Where everyday single sex spaces have gone unisex, women just avoid those places.

I have read some interesting articles speculating on what is driving this. I tend to think it must be a convergence of different interests and movements, some very malign indeed. I do think misogyny and anti feminism are also a major component not only in its inception but in how it operates.

But I have never known anything like it before in terms of the mismatch between public opinion and perception and what is being foisted on us. I do wonder where it will end, will the general population abandon their sense of reality and morality under the pressure of the powerful or will the trans train be derailed somehow, and if that happens what then?

One 9 year old commented after some gender event 'it's great because if your a girl that wants to do boy things you can be trans'.
I mean, holy fuck what are we teaching these children.

The policies and such are being flown in under the radar; and at the same time that much of the mainstream media has been signed up to stonewall and other pressure group 'training'. There is considerable money and influence behind the trans project, and people are making careers out of it.

It is really important that we get off the internet and get the awareness out there; lobby MPs and other organisations; hold public meetings and information sessions; promote alternative information materials such as the 'Transgender Trend' school pack.

We need to form our own local action groups - such a Resister groups - and those brave enough, or not overly compromised by doing so, need to challenge practices and attitudes in the organisations and workplaces that we frequent. We need to keep talking about this.

The T is being prioritised by Stonewall. It is virtually an untouchable charity, with a history of fighting for good and overcoming prejudice and discrimination, so beyond criticism or questions.

Stonewall did a wonderful job with LGB. No one dare question the next campaign. They received millions and still do, so they are powerful and can influence at policy level without the public or press ever hearing about it.

At the same time, you have the upsurge of interested parties in some aspects of the gender cause but only for their own benefit.
Sadly this includes savvy paedophilic individuals and orgs who have successfully piggy backed on LGB rights to gain traction in the 70’s. Having access to women and children and breaking down barriers and safeguarding is extremely useful.
Pharmaceuticals and porn industry being two others who see big bucks in young people being exploited commercially, with new markets opening up for both industries.

There are very powerful influences and potentially billions of dollars behind all these factors, whose interest is to keep pushing the cause but keep it out of the public domain. And those few who do ask questions are labelled phobic or de-platformed and thus contained and controlled.

I'm not a religious person, but a few years ago, one of the cardinals in the Vatican described Britain as a "hedonistic wasteland". I thought it was a bit strong at the time and pretty much dismissed his comment, but that is exactly how I see things now.

To those in power, the population are just meaningless cattle, meant to be herded around and used for their own pleasure, as well as producing money and labour for them. Our kids are expendable play units to be used, abused then discarded once they move on to the next fetish that takes their interest.

The population are kept in ignorance and distracted by shite like love island and the like.

I see the future as a frightening scenario where parents would be best advised not to send their children to school - how long before they put an end to home education as they need to ensure everyone is equally indoctrinated? - or to outside activities such as sports or clubs. How long before social services decide parents are being abusive if they try to protect their kids? A steady supply of bodies must be established and then continue, uninterrupted.

The future is very bleak.

A lot of people, including me until a few years ago, just don’t see the agenda behind the new wave of trans activism. You might see a transwoman in a pub or club toilet, edge away if they looked dodgy, maybe feel a bit sorry for them thinking they passed etc, but that’s where it stopped - someone with mental health issues you wouldn’t dream of being unkind to. It’s not as if it were unusual as a young woman out socialising to have to make a judgement call on the intentions and safety of a male bodied person in your space.

Most believe men can wear dresses and boys can play with dolls and that girls can climb trees and get muddy.

I really don't think that most believe men can wear dresses or that bits can play with dolls (maybe up to a certain age it's ok for boys to play with dolls).

Is that what we need more of? To push for it to be acceptable for boys and men to have the freedom to do that, whilst accepting that they are still male?

My godson loved playing with our dolls house when he was little so I bought him one for his birthday (it was quite unisex tbf, not all pink). His mum hit the roof and made me take it back - so I think we are a long way from it being acceptable for boys to play with toys seen as for girls.

Is that what we need more of? To push for it to be acceptable for boys and men to have the freedom to do that, whilst accepting that they are still male?

I think we really do need more of that. We've had a few generations now of it being acceptable for girls and women to wear trousers, have short hair etc., but apart from a few years of gender bending in the 80s and 90s, men and boys haven't had the same freedom to decide to present in either a masculine or feminine way.

What's happening now with the gender ideologists is that things are in danger of going backwards for women as well. Girls who show signs of being too tomboyish or liking 'boy' things are now in danger of being transed.

"of the mismatch between public opinion and perception and what is being foisted on us"
Perfectly put.

It was actually a much more mundane thread that got me thinking. A thread about a "girls'" holiday that one of the husbands wanted to attend. A few people said it was unreasonable for that reason. I pointed out that maybe the husband identifies as female. I know all this is crap but this is the new right thing to say, isn't it? These are the things to consider.

I thought you were joking when you said that on the 'girls' hol' thread Stealth. Even if he did 'identify as a woman' he'd had 60-odd years of being a bloke so muscling in on women's activities isn't really on is it?

Not joking. Just toeing the frankly ridiculous party line

As to your original question I think the internet and its verisimilitudes have much to blame for that. It's allowed marginal groups to band together with common interest and intent and has given them power and influence. There have always been trans people, for whatever reason, and society has always made space for them.

I think what's happened is a horrible and perfect confluence of a number of things. An overly monetised and commercialised society, identity politics is an extemely capitalist ideology even if the proponents do not wish to see it as thus. It's intensely individualistic and relies upon consumption for 'people to live their true lives', this feeds into our current economic model so is encouraged by invested parties.

At the same time stratiefied notions of gender are also encouraged by a capitalist society as it stimulates 'need' in people to buy products that we're told we need in order to be women 'properly' (make-up, hair-removal, hair dye etc etc). So it's now an easy con to say if your interests fall outside the very strict binary gender roles that have been latterly imposed there must be something wrong with you, it can't possibly be the straitjacketed society that has imposed roles upon you that's wrong, it must be you, and it can be fixed! With money (and the hormones and interventions that it buys).

Finally, and most prescient, I think is men and male sexuality and the significant number of men who feel entirely entitled to fulfil themselves sexually at 'no matter what cost', it's been the case since time eternal that women have been kept down by dint of biology, we're not as strong, we carry babies and for thousands of years we had no control over conception other than refusal. And that refusal wasn't always listened to. And it's still not listened to. And the fact that the internet, the crown on human achievement, a place where, if you have the desire, a repository of all human knowledge, can find any studies , any wisdom, anything a-fucking-tall, is primarily used for looking at porn is depressingly telling about how men and their need for sexual gratification is utterly primary in pretty much every level of society and how it's shaped.

So the whole 'trans thing' has emerged like a giant fucking maggot from a pile of festering shite. Blind but voracious, it doesn't care what it devours to reach its end. I don't think many people have noticed what's been laid by a few very wiley flies.

Sorry, that post was a bit disjointed, I kept getting interrupted by children.

Brexit
Head in the sand
Multitasking overload - work, child rearing, care of elderly, sick.
So many women are just keeping their heads above water, they just don't have the head space to even think about anything more.

I think that it is like some sort of perfect storm, what with films, tv and advertising very heavily promoting gender stereotypes, the unregulated world of social media dominated by immature boys, the huge back lash against the aims of the Women's Liberation Movement ie with queer politics embedded in universities since the 80s churning out woke graduates who now populate positions of influence in media, government etc..

But most of all, I think it is (which seems counter intuitive) about hatred of women. Or at least uppity women. What better way to undermine the concept of women's liberation, that women are oppressed by the male sex because of their female sex, that to set up the concept that sex is only an identity. So women have no right to complain of discrimination and violence by men because men can be women too.

This is the best retribution MRAs can inflict on women. Denying the reality of the basis of their oppression by appropriating it for themselves. And this finds a sympathetic audience by other men (and some women) who are encouraged to believe that feminists, especially "women's libbers" are just unpleasant harpies, and worst of all most of them are old.

Sexism and ageism have found a "valid"means of expression.

One 9 year old commented after some gender event 'it's great because if your a girl that wants to do boy things you can be trans'. I mean, holy fuck what are we teaching these children

This was in a Times article about Drag Queen Story time.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/are-you-sitting-uncomfortably-drag-queen-story-hour-for-children-horrifies-us-right-tp0wmcxwk?shareToken=7f2da0f53d5e3b2c7a3ac1ac0fd8ef07

Propaganda

I really don't think that most believe men can wear dresses or that bits can play with dolls

Yeah I agree. If a male politician wore a dress he’d be ripped to shreds. If a man with s beard showed up in a dress to a job interview they’d think he was a nutter, I highly doubt he’d get the job.

OK point taken. However most people would see a man in a dress and see... a man in a dress. Not a woman

Frankly, if I saw a man in a dress while out shopping (for instance) I'd assume he was trans.
I agree with the explanations given above, especially what @hairylegs said.

Especially the juxtaposition of hedonistic, cool, woke young men against boring old women who are or have been (gah!) mothers.

As mothers, older mothers, we are at the bottom of the heap in their eyes. Men know that our children all children are more important to us than men and their dicks. That, as a group, we are concerned with the safety of children and appalled at the idea of using children for pleasure.

There's also the way trans woman are portrayed in the media. Most people still think of trans people as the traditional more effeminate transsexual orientated towards men and so no threat to women and lump them in the same category as those harmless fun guys from Queer Eye or those queens from RuPaul who are such a scream.
(note: all are actually male).

I noticed the trans woman speaking out in favour of the removal of sex restrictions from Hampstead Ponds on BBC local news was Reverend Christina Beardsley who is not only harmlessly middle-aged looking but is also a vicar. As she spoke tremulously of her desire to just to be able to swim, whose heart could remain hardened! What harm could it do?

And of course the stories of detransistors are hidden and denied